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		<title>Gross a polarizing figure for Iowa GOP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hancock</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Des Moines attorney Doug Gross has gone from his party's standard bearer to one of the most controversial figures in Iowa politics, a journey that matches the GOP's quest for direction in light of electoral failures. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was the chief of staff to the longest serving governor in Iowa’s history and the Republican Party’s 2002 gubernatorial nominee. He is a major GOP donor and a respected political strategist in Iowa and around the country.</p>
<div id="attachment_24055" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-24055" title="Doug Gross" src="http://iowaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Doug-Gross-300x225.jpg" alt="Des Moines attorney Doug Gross" width="300" height="225" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Des Moines attorney Doug Gross</p></div>
<p>But over the last year <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/doug-gross" target="_blank">Doug Gross</a> has become one of the most polarizing figures in Iowa Republican politics. While still an influential figure, especially among the party’s elite, Gross has become public enemy No.1 for many grassroots conservatives and evangelical Christians.</p>
<p>The anger Gross has drawn in some political circles, when coupled with his longtime association with former Gov. Terry Branstad, is expected to become an issue in the 2010 gubernatorial primary, with one observer saying he could amount to a poison pill for the campaign.</p>
<p>“I don’t believe for a second he’s not involved in the Branstad campaign, but I think he’s keeping a low profile,” said <a href="http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/" target="_blank">Shane Vander Hart</a>, a conservative blogger and member of the Polk County Republican Central Committee. “That’s probably a smart strategy for Terry Branstad. Doug’s burnt some bridges. He decided to more or less come out against social conservatism, so he’s going to be a drag on the campaign if he was publicly connected to it.”</p>
<p>The story of how Gross became such a controversial figure in conservative politics mirrors the tale of a party’s soul-searching journey towards redefining itself after years of electoral disasters.</p>
<p>Gross did not respond to repeated interview requests from The Iowa Independent.</p>
<h3>&#8216;A minority group within a minority party&#8217;</h3>
<p>After 30 years in control of Terrace Hill, Republicans lost the governor’s mansion in 1998 to Democrat <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/tom-vilsack" target="_blank">Tom Vilsack</a>. By 2006, Democrats had not only held on to the executive branch, but managed to capture both legislative chambers.</p>
<p>In the fall of 2008, after another series of losses for Iowa Republicans, Gross embarked on a media tour, giving his prescription to fix the party. Gross called on the GOP to be more inclusive and focus less on social issues that are turning off a younger generation of voters.</p>
<p>During a November 2008 appearance on Iowa Public Television’s “Iowa Press,” Gross said the Democrat’s huge voter registration edge and electoral success could be partially attributed to <a href="http://www.iptv.org/iowapress/transcript_detail.cfm?ipShowNum=3610" target="_blank">moderates fleeing the Republican Party of Iowa</a>. The party will never be able to regain power, he said, if it continues to have “a litmus test associated with social issues for people in party leadership positions.”</p>
<p>“[Social conservatives] are an important part of our base,” Gross said. “We can&#8217;t win without them, but we can&#8217;t win only with them and we need to understand that and broaden the tent.”</p>
<p>A few weeks later, Gross did an interview with controversial Christian radio host <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/steve-deace" target="_blank">Steve Deace</a>. In a debate that got heated, Gross repeated his assertion that <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/8707/gross-social-conservatives-%E2%80%98a-minority-group-within-a-minority-party%E2%80%99" target="_blank">the party needed to broaden its appeal </a>if it ever wanted to be in power and advance its agenda again.</p>
<p>“Social conservatives are a minority group within a minority party,” Gross told Deace. “If we aren’t broad enough the interests of social conservatives will never be in governance.”</p>
<p>The Republican Party, both nationally and in Iowa, has become perceived as the party of excessive bigotry, Gross said at the time, “whether that be bigotry associated with immigrants or gay rights. We are not that party and we should not be that party. It turns people off. We can be a party of tolerance and respect other people’s views and still further our values.”</p>
<p>Gross and his organization, the Iowa First Foundation, commissioned two polls early in 2009 that he said offers clear evidence that voters are more interested in candidates who <a href="../14774/public-views-iowa-gop-as-arrogant-backwards-looking">focus on economic issues </a>rather than social issues like same-sex marriage and abortion.</p>
<p>Social conservatives argue that line of thinking only alienates the party’s most loyal voters.</p>
<p>“We all know what Mr. Gross’ polls are going to say — that the Republican Party needs to free itself of Christian influence if it wants to win elections,” Deace said after the polling information was made public.”</p>
<h3><strong>Conservative backlash</strong></h3>
<p>In a blog post,<a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/bryan-english" target="_blank"> Bryan English</a>, spokesman for the influential social conservative group <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/iowa-family-policy-center" target="_blank">Iowa Family Policy Center</a>, compared Gross to a “frat boy who has never been as popular or successful as his drinking buddies thought he was back in college.”</p>
<p>“He <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/19773/ifpc-criticizes-secular-republicans" target="_blank">becomes increasingly irrelevant as time goes on</a>, he continues to refuse to grow up, and people quit listening to how great things were ‘back in college,’” English said.</p>
<p>Conservative blogger <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/craig-robinson" target="_blank">Craig Robinson</a> wrote in August that Gross represented one of the <a href="http://theiowarepublican.com/home/2009/08/31/doug-gross-reignites-debate-over-the-direction-of-the-republican-party/" target="_blank">main obstacles in Branstad’s path</a> to the 2010 GOP gubernatorial nomination.</p>
<p>“If Branstad does ultimately decide to run for governor, his association with Doug Gross is likely to cause a tremendous amount of grief in the early portion of the campaign,” he said.</p>
<p>Vander Hart told The Iowa Independent about a meeting he attended where Gross’s comments seemed out of line.</p>
<p>“I was at a conservative breakfast club meeting where he said we need to stop picking candidates that are pastors of fringe churches who home educate their children,” he said. “Here you have a huge base within the party that home educate, and then you have evangelicals who wonder what’s wrong with pastors running for office. It was a comment that was completely unnecessary.”</p>
<p>Afterwards, Vander Hart said he was tempted to introduce himself to Gross by saying, “Hi, I’m Shane and I’m a former pastor who home schools his kids.&#8221;</p>
<h3><strong>2010 on the horizon</strong></h3>
<div id="attachment_21652" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 160px"><img class="size-full wp-image-21652" title="branstad" src="http://iowaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/branstad.jpg" alt="Former Gov. Terry Branstad" width="150" height="200" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Former Gov. Terry Branstad</p></div>
<p>One person who has known Gross for many years is <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/steve-grubbs" target="_blank">Steve Grubbs</a>.</p>
<p>Grubbs, a veteran Republican strategist and founder of the political consulting firm <a href="http://www.victoryenterprises.com/" target="_blank">Victory Enterprises Inc.</a>, said it is strange for social conservatives to question Gross’ loyalty, since he has always has been strong on social issues.</p>
<p>“Doug is a conservative,” Grubbs said. “He was a conservative in 2002 when he ran in the Republican gubernatorial primary against my candidate, Steve Sukup, and he is still a conservative today.”</p>
<p>Because he is arguing for what he believes is the best interest of the party, it’s understandable that he would rub some the wrong way.</p>
<p>“It’s not a surprise, because Doug is challenging a deeply held belief,” Grubbs said. “When you do that there is going to be a strong reaction.”</p>
<p>The problem, according to Vander Hart, isn’t so much what Gross has been saying but how he’s been saying it.</p>
<p>“I understand he’s concerned about running Republicans who are electable, and that the economy needs to be front and center in the campaign,” he said. “I don’t think most people disagree with that. But there are ways to go about saying those things without alienating people, and unfortunately I don’t think he struck that balance.”</p>
<p>Ultimately, how much impact Gross has on the 2010 campaign is still up in the air. Branstad is facing a similar brand of <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/21326/branstad-reaches-out-to-social-conservatives" target="_blank">criticism regarding his own social conservative credentials</a>, ranging from his choice of a lieutenant governor that supports abortion rights to his appointment of the Iowa Supreme Court Justice who penned the decision earlier this year legalizing same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>But some are pointing to the 2010 gubernatorial primary as an election just as important to Gross as it is to any of the candidates. Civic Skinny, the anonymous gossip columnist for Des Moines alt-weekly Cityview, said 2010 represents a <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/21874/skinny-2010-campaign-will-be-gross-vs-vander-plaats" target="_blank">chance for Gross to “settle the score” </a>with <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/tag/bob-vander-plaats" target="_blank">Bob Vander Plaats</a>, the gubernatorial candidate of choice for Iowa&#8217;s social conservative community.</p>
<p>Gross and Vander Plaats first faced off in 2002, when both sought the GOP nomination for governor.</p>
<p>A tough and at times ugly primary fight ended when Gross <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/17997/competitive-gop-primary-battle-carries-benefits-and-risks" target="_blank">barely avoided the nomination being decided at convention</a>, winning only 35.6 percent of the vote in a three-way race. The nearly two-thirds of Republican voters who didn’t support him never truly came home, and incumbent Vilsack easily won a second term that fall.</p>
<p>“There was bad blood between Doug Gross and Bob Vander Plaats during the ’02 GOP gubernatorial race, especially at the end,” Skinny wrote. “The two ripped one another, nearly allowing Rep. Steve Sukup, as the good guy, to win a razor-thin, three-way primary race.”</p>
<p>Then Gross and Vander Plaats lined up on different sides of the 2008 Iowa Caucuses, with Gross working for Mitt Romney and Vander Plaats working for Mike Huckabee.</p>
<p>Huckabee emerged victorious in a race that turned ugly in public, and even uglier behind the scenes.</p>
<p>“In other words, Gross is still pissed, and one reasons he’s backing Branstad is so he can settle a few scores,” Skinny wrote.</p>
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		<title>IFPC criticizes secular Republicans</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hancock</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Republican Party of Iowa will continue to lose elections if it empowers moderates who compromise on social issues, Bryan English said Monday on the blog of the Iowa Family Policy Center.
English, who serves as spokesman for the influential social conservative group, said the last thing the party needs is Republican wolves in  &#8220;conservative sheep’s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Party of Iowa will continue to lose elections if it empowers moderates who compromise on social issues, Bryan English said Monday on the blog of the Iowa Family Policy Center.</p>
<p>English, who serves as spokesman for the influential social conservative group, said the last thing the party needs is <a href="http://ifpc-profamily.blogspot.com/2009/09/when-will-we-learn.html" target="_blank">Republican wolves in  &#8220;conservative sheep’s clothing.&#8221;</a> The focus of the blog eventually turned to a recent Op-Ed in The Des Moines Register written by Doug Gross, the former chief of staff to Gov. Terry Branstad who has argued for more than a year that<a href="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009908300306" target="_blank"> Iowa&#8217;s GOP needs to be more welcoming and less divisive</a> in order to regain power in Des Moines.<span id="more-19773"></span></p>
<p>The GOP lost Iowa by &#8220;driving away voters who share the Republican philosophy of limited government, but grew tired of a preachy, old party that reminded them of their grouchy, old uncle,&#8221; Gross said.</p>
<p>English criticized this line of thought, saying it is people like Gross who are damaging the party.</p>
<p>&#8220;Never once was there any reference to the political damage done to his party by secular ideologues who insist that people of faith abandon their core principles in order to participate in the party,&#8221; English said. &#8220;He completely ignored the large chunk of former Republicans who held their nose and voted for [Republican In Name Only] candidates like John McCain, and then left the party in disgust having realized that they compromised their principles and got absolutely nothing in return but a guilty conscience.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the &#8220;grouchy, old uncle&#8221; Gross refers to is English and the social conservative movement, then Gross represents the &#8220;frat boy who has never been as popular or successful as his drinking buddies thought he was back in college. He becomes increasingly irrelevant as time goes on, he continues to refuse to grow up, and people quit listening to how great things were &#8216;back in college,&#8217;&#8221; English said.</p>
<p>Gross has become a lightening rod on the political right for his calls for the party to end the politics of &#8220;cultural and ideological wars.&#8221; <a href="http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DESMOINES-IA/WHO-AM/rhodes%20podcast%20090109.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&amp;MARKET=DESMOINES-IA&amp;NG_FORMAT=newstalk&amp;SITE_ID=1165&amp;STATION_ID=WHO-AM&amp;PCAST_AUTHOR=Steve_Deace&amp;PCAST_CAT=Talk_Radio&amp;PCAST_TITLE=Deace_in_the_Afternoon" target="_blank">Leaders in the social conservative movement</a> and <a href="http://theiowarepublican.com/home/2009/08/31/doug-gross-reignites-debate-over-the-direction-of-the-republican-party/" target="_blank">right-wing bloggers</a> have turned the man who was his party&#8217;s flag-bearer in the 2002 gubernatorial campaign into<a href="http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/05/14/the-narcissim-of-doug-gross/" target="_blank"> public enemy No. 1. </a>So far in 2009, Gross and his organization, the Iowa First Foundation, have commissioned two polls that he says offers clear evidence that voters are more interested in candidates who <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/14774/public-views-iowa-gop-as-arrogant-backwards-looking" target="_blank">focus on economic issues </a>rather than social issues like same-sex marriage and abortion. Social conservatives argue that line of thinking only alienates the party&#8217;s most loyal voters.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the line of attack against Gross could eventually be turned on his former boss. Branstad has said he will decide whether to enter the 2010 gubernatorial campaign by next month, and social conservative leaders have already predicted his re-entry into politics could turn the <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/18817/branstad-candidacy-becoming-focus-of-gop-primary-speculation" target="_blank">GOP primary into a &#8220;blood bath.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jason Hancock</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two prominant Republicans who many believed to be quietly considering a run for governor in 2010 told The Des Moines Register Wednesday they will not seek their party&#8217;s nomination.
Former Gov. Terry Branstad and Vermeer Corp. CEO Mary Andringa both scored highly in a recent poll commissioned by the Iowa First Foundation, a group organized by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two prominant Republicans who many believed to be quietly considering a run for governor in 2010 told The Des Moines Register Wednesday<a href="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090506/NEWS09/905060348" target="_blank"> they will not seek their party&#8217;s nomination.</a></p>
<p>Former Gov. Terry Branstad and Vermeer Corp. CEO Mary Andringa <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/14774/public-views-iowa-gop-as-arrogant-backwards-looking" target="_blank">both scored highly in a recent poll commissioned by the Iowa First Foundation</a>, a group organized by former GOP gubernatorial nominee Doug Gross. Respondents were given descriptions of different candidates and asked to rank how appealing each sounded, and Branstad and Vermeer&#8217;s descriptions ranked the highest. That led many Republicans to believe both were considering a run.<span id="more-14822"></span></p>
<p>However, Branstad told the Register he didn&#8217;t want to &#8220;give anyone the impression that I&#8217;m thinking about it, because that would be not really correct,&#8221; and Vermeer said she is &#8220;not pursuing the Republican nomination for Iowa&#8217;s next governor.&#8221;</p>
<p>The paper also spoke with Jeff Lamberti, a former state senator who currently co-owns the arena football team the Iowa Barnstormers, along with current Republican Party of Iowa Chairman Matt Strawn. Lamberti said he is in the early stages of making a decision on whether to run. His most recent campaign was an unsuccsessful bid in 2006 to defeat Third District U.S. Rep. Leonard Boswell.</p>
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		<title>Libertarians Want Ron Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Deeth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the weekend, the Libertarian National Committee passed a resolution inviting Ron Paul to seek their nomination.&#160; But a Paul spokesman, while not making a Sherman statement, backed away from the invitation.

&#8220;Ron has no intention to run third party whatsoever,&#8221; said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton.

The Libertarian resolution reads: 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the weekend, the Libertarian National Committee passed a resolution inviting Ron Paul to seek their nomination.&nbsp; But a Paul spokesman, while not making a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement">Sherman statement</a>, backed away from the invitation.
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&#8220;Ron has no intention to run third party whatsoever,&#8221; said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton.
<p>
The Libertarian resolution <a href="http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/12/09/libertarian-national-committee-invites-ron-paul-to-seek-lp-nomination/">reads</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee invites Congressman Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, to be decided in Denver, Colorado, during the Memorial Day weekend of 2008.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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Paul, a sitting Republican congressman, was the Libertarian nominee in 1988.&nbsp; Paul himself has not directly and absolutely ruled out a run.&nbsp; Last month, he avoided the question at <a href="http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1477">an Iowa City rally</a>.</p>
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		<title>McCain: Screw Iowa (Again)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Deeth</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Commentary] President John McCain&#8217;s Screw Iowa Strategy worked so well in getting him nominated in 2000 that he may be looking at trying it again, says Robert &#8220;Valerie Plame&#8217;s A Secret Agent&#8230; Oops, I Guess Not Anymore&#8221; Novak:
Sen. John McCain soon will consider opting out of the Jan. 3 Iowa presidential caucuses to take the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[Commentary]</strong> President John McCain&#8217;s Screw Iowa Strategy worked so well in getting him nominated in 2000 that he may be looking at trying it again, says Robert &#8220;Valerie Plame&#8217;s A Secret Agent&#8230; Oops, I Guess Not Anymore&#8221; <a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23467#continueA">Novak</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sen. John McCain soon will consider opting out of the Jan. 3 Iowa presidential caucuses to take the sting out of a probable fifth-place finish there.
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McCain skipped Iowa in 2000 while nearly seizing the presidential nomination from heavily favored George W. Bush. But when McCain was the early front-runner for 2008, it was decided he would contest the state this time.
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The rationale for leaving Iowa now would be total concentration on the subsequent New Hampshire primary.</p></blockquote>
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<a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/novak_mccain_might_pull_out_of_iowa.php">Talking Points Memo</a> says &#8220;McCain would do so in order to lessen the embarrassment of a fifth place showing behind Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani and Thompson,&#8221; without saying if that&#8217;s a ranked order.<span id="more-1474"></span>Fifth may be optimistic, if Ron Paul&#8217;s people have their way; his state field director just gave me a a goal of top five and a prediction of top two <a href="http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1477">today</a>, which would bump the once mighty McCain down to <span style="font-style:italic;">sixth</span>.&nbsp; Wonder if Sam Brownback is regretting that endorsement yet?&nbsp; If this keeps going, McCain may have to worry about serious competition from John Cox and Duncan Hunter.
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You&#8217;ll recall, of course, that McCain skipped the Ames Straw Poll last summer, so in the grand scheme of things he hasn&#8217;t invested much in the state.
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A peek at McCain&#8217;s <a href="http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Calendar/">public schedule</a> shows him in New Hampshire all weekend, then in Florida and South Carolina after Thanksgiving.</p>
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