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Iowa Judge Rules in Favor of Gay Marriage

By admin | 08.30.07 | 5:29 pm

Polk County Judge Robert Hanson struck down Iowa’s prohibition on same-sex marriage Thursday.

In his 63-page decision, Hanson wrote that the statute excluding same-sex couples from marriage “violates Plaintiff’s due process and equal protection rights for the aforementioned reasons including, but not limited to, the absence of a rational relationship to the achievement of any legitimate governmental interest.”  Therefore the law is “unconstitutional and invalid.”

The case was filed by civil rights group Lambda Legal on behalf of six same-sex couples and their families.  Each couple was denied a marriage license from Polk County officials on the grounds that they did not meet the gender requirements according to Iowa law.

Plaintiffs argued in court that the gender requirements violate the Iowa Constitution’s guarantees of equal protection and due process and that they inhibit the couples from taking care of each other and their families.

The news was greeted with excitement in Iowa’s GLBT community.  “All we can do is keep smiling,” said Robin Butler of Iowa City.  She and her partner Janelle Rettig have long been active on the gay marriage issue and hold a marriage license from Canada.  For that reason, they were not part of the lawsuit, as it would have presented a less clear legal precedent.  “It’s unclear yet whether the state will just go ahead no and recognize ours,” she said.

“This is a huge first step,” said Butler.  “We’re not New York, we’re not California, we’re middle of the road Iowa.”

Butler attended arguments in the case.  “The Polk County Attorney’s arguments didn’t seem clear, and the plaintiff’s argument was to the point, so we thought, ‘how can you NOT win?  But then we thought about all the politics involved.”

According to the AP, Polk County plans to appeal the decision to the Iowa Supreme Court.  In the meantime, they will seek a stay of the court’s ruling to prevent same-sex couples from gaining marriage rights before the Supreme Court has made its decision.

“It’s a newer judge, and one thought was that he’d defer it up to the Supreme Court,” said Butler.  “I haven’t read the case yet but people tell us it’s a strongly worded opinion.  We assume it will not end here.”

Mona Shaw, longtime Iowa civil rights activist, was pleased with the decision.  “There’s little that’s more thrilling than when justice and freedom prevail,” said Shaw. “Now we’ll have to wait and see if the hearts and minds of the Iowa’s appellate judges and her legislature will be ruled by bigotry or common sense.”

More analysis below the fold…

John Deeth contributed to this report.Judge Cites US and Iowa Case Law

Citing precedent in his decision, Judge Hanson’s first task was to determine whether the statute “excluding all but different-sex couples from being able to enter into a civil marriage” serves a “legitimate governmental interest.”

The defense presented five interests which they argued were “legitimate governmental interests” served by the current statute.  Hanson’s decision rejected the fifth interest presented, which was “promoting the concept of fundamental marriage or the integrity of traditional marriage.”

Citing Lawrence v. Texas, a 2003 decision handed down by the US Supreme Court (based  on “its own case law,” not Iowa’s), Hanson noted that “neither history nor tradition could save a law prohibiting miscegenation from constitutional attack.”  Preserving tradition for tradition’s sake, therefore, is not a legitimate governmental interest.

Using US Supreme Court case law is justified, Hanson explained, “Because the due process and equal protection clauses of the Iowa Constitution are at least coextensive with those found in the United States Constitution.”

Therefore, the fifth of the interests presented by the defense — the protection of traditional marriage — is not “legitimate.”  Hanson deemed the first three interests presented, roughly dealing with “responsible procreation,” and the fourth interest presented, roughly “the conservation of state and private resources,” to be legitimate.

For those interests, Hanson proceeded to the second task before the court: to determine whether the current statute “bears a rational relationship to accomplishment” of the said interests.

Plaintiffs offered admissible evidence intended to prove that denying same-sex couples the right to civil marriage does not bear a rational relationship to accomplishing responsible reproduction.  According to Hanson, the defendant did not offer admissible counter-evidence and agreed with many of the plaintiffs’ claims.

Citing Iowa precedent, Hanson decided that “If responsible procreation is the goal, then the institution of marriage should be made available to all couples who can responsible procreate, regardless of whether the couple is traditionally recognized one.  The traditional make-up of the family has changed.”

Further, “by excluding all same-sex couples from marriage, the statute actually defeats the purpose of responsible procreation by excluding qualified individuals from marriage,” Hanson wrote.  “In addition, their exclusion defeats the state’s admitted interest in the welfare of all of its children, regardless of whether they are parented by different-sex couples, same-sex couples or any other family unit.”

Of note, Hanson quotes from controversial conservative Justice Antonin Scalia’s dissent in Lawrence v. Texas.

On the fourth interest proposed by the defense, plaintiffs submitted affidavits to substantiate claims that there is no rational relationship between denying same-sex couples marriage rights and “conserving state and private resources,” while the defense did not submit any in support of its claim.  Therefore Hanson concludes that exclusion of same-sex couples based on this interest “is, once again, arbitrary.”

Hanson’s conclusion states plainly the bottom line:

Couples, such as Plaintiffs, who are otherwise qualified to marry one another may not be denied licenses to marry or certificates of marriage or in any other way prevented from entering into a civil marriage pursuant to Iowa Code Chapter 595 by reason of the fact that both persons comprising such a couple are of the same sex.

Code 595.2(1) must be nullified, severed and stricken from Chapter 595 and all remaining provisions of Chapter 595 must be read and applied in a gender neutral manner so as to permit same-sex couples to enter into a civil marriage pursuant to said chapter.

Comments

  • Anonymous

    Mitt comments…predictably: http://thecaucus.blo…

    Activist judges, blah, blah, blah.

    The judge got it right…a law like this cannot stand in “the absence of a rational relationship to the achievement of any legitimate governmental interest.”

    I wish he had timed it differently, to let the Larry Craig thing percolate a bit longer here in our state.  I fear this will pull attention away from rampant GOP hypocrisy and instead give lots of air time to the “traditional values are under assault from the left” crowd.

  • Chris Tucker

    Chiming in from Massachusetts We’ve had marriage equality recognized as a right here in the Commonwealth for several years.

    Save for a spike in business for wedding planners, caterers, florists, jewellers, tuxedo rental places, wedding gown shops, etc, nothing has really changed here. Our divorce rate is still the lowest in the country, no church has been forced to sanctify a same sex marriage, and no church will ever be forced to do so.

    The legal concept of “All People Are Equal Before The Law” has become an established legal fact, and the sky has not fallen, the Earth has not opened, the waters of the Charles River and Boston Harbor have not turned to blood.

    I hope Iowa becomes the second state in the Union to recognize that marriage equality is not a threat to traditional families and traditional marriage, and that “Liberty and Justice for All” means just that.

  • kenneth

    perversion …o.k.

    so we guess the family of MAN + WOMAN, which has been around PRIOR TO ANY GOVERNMENT, does not serve a valid state purpose? This Judge is crazy.

    what has Humankind been doing in establishing MAN + WOMAN families for the past 20,000 years?

  • Schmitz Blitz

    Schmitz Blitz from Schmitz Blitz: schmitzblitz.wordpress.com

    Judge Robert Hanson of Polk County, Iowa struck down the state’s decade-old anti-gay marriage statute this morning, finding that it violated the state constitution’s due process and equal protection clauses.

    Gay couples across the state of Iowa are now free to apply for marriage licenses.

    While I was excited to learn of this ruling for gay equality, I fear it will be short lived. The Polk County attorney plans on appealing the ruling to the State Supreme Court, and he has already filed a stay to prevent gay couples from marrying until the appeal is resolved.

    What’s worse, Republican House Minority Leader Christopher Rants is already preparing an anti-gay marriage amendment to Iowa’s constitution.

    We saw how the 2003 Massachusetts ruling in favor of marriage equality ushered in backlash across the country, culminating in 27 state amendments denying the right of marriage to gays. I fear this Iowa ruling will have a similar effect, especially with election season upon us. This is why I’m generally against sweeping court decisions like this. I think an incremental steps toward equality such as the ones in Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Washington, Virginia, and Michigan.

    I may be overly pessimistic-a lot has changed even in the five years since the Massachusetts ruling. In spite of all of the state wide amendments banning gay marriage, we have seen several states move in the opposite direction to provide the status of civil unions to gay couples (though still unequal).

    In addition, Rove (mastermind of the gay-baiting tactics to get out the conservative base) is gone. The `family values’ wing of the Republican party is awash with the sex scandals of Senators Craig and Vitter. And recent polling has indicated that social wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion may not have the pull they had in past, what with two failing wars in the Middle East and all.

    Either way, should be a very interesting case to follow, and certainly more to come on the Blitz.

  • Nancy

    Lambda From what I’ve heard about Lambda, it is not a civil rights group, BUTT, rather, a gay rights group which also proposes that the age for having sex with children be legally lowered to 4 years old

  • Anonymous

    Mitt comments…predictably: http://thecaucus.blo…

    Activist judges, blah, blah, blah.

    The judge got it right…a law like this cannot stand in “the absence of a rational relationship to the achievement of any legitimate governmental interest.”

    I wish he had timed it differently, to let the Larry Craig thing percolate a bit longer here in our state.  I fear this will pull attention away from rampant GOP hypocrisy and instead give lots of air time to the “traditional values are under assault from the left” crowd.

  • Chris Tucker

    Chiming in from Massachusetts We've had marriage equality recognized as a right here in the Commonwealth for several years.

    Save for a spike in business for wedding planners, caterers, florists, jewellers, tuxedo rental places, wedding gown shops, etc, nothing has really changed here. Our divorce rate is still the lowest in the country, no church has been forced to sanctify a same sex marriage, and no church will ever be forced to do so.

    The legal concept of “All People Are Equal Before The Law” has become an established legal fact, and the sky has not fallen, the Earth has not opened, the waters of the Charles River and Boston Harbor have not turned to blood.

    I hope Iowa becomes the second state in the Union to recognize that marriage equality is not a threat to traditional families and traditional marriage, and that “Liberty and Justice for All” means just that.

  • kenneth

    perversion …o.k.

    so we guess the family of MAN + WOMAN, which has been around PRIOR TO ANY GOVERNMENT, does not serve a valid state purpose? This Judge is crazy.

    what has Humankind been doing in establishing MAN + WOMAN families for the past 20,000 years?

  • Schmitz Blitz

    Schmitz Blitz from Schmitz Blitz: schmitzblitz.wordpress.com

    Judge Robert Hanson of Polk County, Iowa struck down the state's decade-old anti-gay marriage statute this morning, finding that it violated the state constitution's due process and equal protection clauses.

    Gay couples across the state of Iowa are now free to apply for marriage licenses.

    While I was excited to learn of this ruling for gay equality, I fear it will be short lived. The Polk County attorney plans on appealing the ruling to the State Supreme Court, and he has already filed a stay to prevent gay couples from marrying until the appeal is resolved.

    What's worse, Republican House Minority Leader Christopher Rants is already preparing an anti-gay marriage amendment to Iowa's constitution.

    We saw how the 2003 Massachusetts ruling in favor of marriage equality ushered in backlash across the country, culminating in 27 state amendments denying the right of marriage to gays. I fear this Iowa ruling will have a similar effect, especially with election season upon us. This is why I'm generally against sweeping court decisions like this. I think an incremental steps toward equality such as the ones in Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Washington, Virginia, and Michigan.

    I may be overly pessimistic-a lot has changed even in the five years since the Massachusetts ruling. In spite of all of the state wide amendments banning gay marriage, we have seen several states move in the opposite direction to provide the status of civil unions to gay couples (though still unequal).

    In addition, Rove (mastermind of the gay-baiting tactics to get out the conservative base) is gone. The `family values' wing of the Republican party is awash with the sex scandals of Senators Craig and Vitter. And recent polling has indicated that social wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion may not have the pull they had in past, what with two failing wars in the Middle East and all.

    Either way, should be a very interesting case to follow, and certainly more to come on the Blitz.

  • Chris Tucker

    A simple solution to Kenneth's Dilemma If you are opposed to same sex marriage, don't marry another man!

    Simple, isn't it?

  • gravitybear

    He didn't say that… Kenneth, from what was quoted above, the judge didn't say that traditional opposite-sex marriage serves no state purpose.

    Here's the crucial part, he said that denying same-sex couples the right to marry serves no state purpose.

    See the difference?

  • BillMcD

    What Humankind's been doing for 20,000 years… Boinking a lot and getting told by the girl's father 'Alright now, Humankind, you knocked up my daughter, so here's your options: You agree to support her and her children for the rest of your life. Or the rest of your life is about 10 minutes long. Choose.'

  • DesertStormVet

    Radical Rants… …and his Raving Rongs (they damned sure ain't Right) are just pissed that they might not be able to continue to blatantly hate and discriminate. They hate unions (who watch out for and take care of the common folk), they hate gays (me thinks they doth protest too much), they love their bible (Chris, check out Leviticus 11-7, 12, 19-19, 19-20, 19-33, 20-10…then come back and thump your bible at us…or just shut the firetruck up and let the grownups who aren't all wrapped up in their invisible friends (or the voices in their heads….six of one, half dozen of the other) take care of our state and country) but don't follow it, they love their freedoms but don't want to fight for it (that's for our kids….the Mittens get to patrol waaaaay outside the Green Zone), they love their money and don't want to part with it. Time for the Anti-Social Values not-much-fun-damentalist nut jobs to crawl back under their rocks with their Taliban pals and quit giving normal & sane people a hard time. In fact, why don't you go play in the Middle East on your own crusade so our kids can come home.

  • jvill

    Uh When you say man and woman over the past 20,000 years, and prior to any government, are you referring to the polygamy of the Mormons as recently as 50 years ago, or the rampant homosexuality that occurred during the birth of democracy in ancient Greece?

  • Mauro

    Also from Mass “…the waters of the Charles River and Boston Harbor have not turned to blood.”

    Eh.  Might have been a step up.

    On the other hand, my House Masters in college are now married.  How many decades had they waited?  I don't care what Romney wants to call the judges.  I am immensely proud to be living in Massachusetts because of this little bit of nondiscrimination, and I hope that you Iowans can have the same reason to be proud of your state.  Let the country know that the big coastal cities are not the only places in this country with strong moral values and real intelligent policy.

  • Mauro

    Do You Really Want An Answer? A lot of things have been around prior to any government, like murder, stealing, paganism, living in caves, and so on.  Unless you want to say that we need to all be living in caves, because that's what we did 20,000 years ago, your argument is right of ridiculous.  That was actually the judge's point; upholding tradition for tradition's sake is NOT a legitimate government interest.  There's a reason we have traditions, and sometimes those reasons stop applying so we must allow our traditions to be reformed, even if we keep adhering to them ourselves.  I'm assuming you're a Christian; before Christianity, there were traditions galore that Christianity ended forcibly, like polytheism, not eating pork, mummification, and even the feeding of Christians to lions.  Saying we have to do them just because someone else has done them before is completely illogical.  If you get enjoyment out of upholding such traditions, then you can keep doing it, record those traditions in durable media for future generations (folk singing is on the verge of extinction, for instance, and someone ought to save it, but not coercively), or whatever it is you want to do.  But having the government mandate tradition to us is a perversion of our freedoms.

    The next time someone steals from you, just remember that even since Biblical times there have been thieves, so it's OK to steal.

  • Nancy

    Lambda From what I've heard about Lambda, it is not a civil rights group, BUTT, rather, a gay rights group which also proposes that the age for having sex with children be legally lowered to 4 years old

  • Chris Tucker

    That's nice, Kenneth, I mean, 'Nancy'. Now run along and play. The grownups are talking.

  • Chris Tucker

    Er, I beg your pardon?(Chris, check out Leviticus 11-7, 12, 19-19, 19-20, 19-33, 20-10…then come back and thump your bible at us…or just shut the firetruck up and let the grownups who aren't all wrapped up in their invisible friends (or the voices in their heads….six of one, half dozen of the other)

    I think you're confusing me with someone else.

  • Crablaw

    Cite your sources If you think that Lambda Legal wants to lower the age of consent to 4, show a little work ethic and cite primary sources.

    Hint: what you pastor said last week in church is not a primary source, unless he heads Lambda Legal.

  • DesertStormVet

    oops… …Wrong Chris. Our resident radical raving religious rong-wing rowdy is Christopher Rants, the best Iowa's GOP can muster. He's the house minority leader (GOP), or what we like to think of as the Rants and Raves.  Sorry for the confusion.

  • wbpNYC

    20,000?!? TWENTY THOUSAND YEARS?!?

    I thought you people thought the earth was only 6,000 years old….hummmmm…fuzzy math I think…

    The judge did not say (and NO judge has EVER said) that a family headed by a man and a woman does not serve valid state purposes – a purposefully fraudlent reading on your part – the judge stated that BARRING two people of the same gender from access to a state-granted license which allows them to marry – is unconstitutional and does not further legitimate state concerns.

    Perhaps if you were just a TINY little bit more honest (or smarter – you pick) you might get it.

    So there.

  • Chris Tucker

    RE: Ooops 'S'allright!

    Could be worse, you could of thought I was Chris Tucker the annoying actor.

  • jonnybell

    All Right, I don't agree and I feel that this judge does not have the power of constitutional veto nor does he have the right to decide that all provision of the code shall still apply if one of the applicable provisions is stricke. But going along with this decision I then want the judge to extend his ruling to permit polygamist relationships, a husband with more than one wife or a wife with more than one husnabd, for they can be argued for on exactly the same grounds as he has permitted gay unions.

    In addition, he needs to clarify his ruling on incestuos relationships in the case of adult brother and sister, adult father and daughter, adult mother and son, adult mother with daughter, adult father with son, for the same argumanet can be made that the exclusion is arbitrary and poses no threat to the state.

    The fact of the matte is in a democratic society, not the one envisioned by the neo-facist gay and lesbian movement and supported by their gestapo like SS legislative agents, free people have the RIGHT to determine the norms of its institutions and public behaviour. Even more so when the idea of morality is stricken from the procees of law making. Absent any type of inspired mantra of treating others as we wish to be treated, constitutionality can ONLY be decided by popular vote.
    For thei is no basis of spirituality or compassion to determine whether or not gender differentation is acceptable or not, the only basis is the will of the people which even in this case, was expressed to ban certain types os state recognized relationships, which they have a right to do by vote as the rule of gender equality was not established as an absolute, unless we are moving on to single restrooms and the elimination of women's athletics and every other 'absolute' erasure of gender differentation.

    The 1st thing that the Nazi's did was to sieze the court and argue that their rights of perversion and destruction of the family unit superceded the rights of the common man. They were inspired by the insideous hidden agends of homosexuals and lesbians who strangled the court system in an attempt to justify their deviate lives and seek to establish a robotic generation who would be oblivious to their dysfunction in an attempt to erase what no man, or waoman , has been able to accomplish … their conscience. These are ill people and our courts should be helping them, not empowering their affliction.

  • fridgewrestler

    Judge Hanson opened up a big can of worms. Iowa is becoming more and more Godless with bone headed decissions like this. What's next for this wonderful state? It's an embarassment to me and the moral majority. Shame on you Bob!

  • fridgewrestler

    Judge Hanson opened up a big can of worms. Iowa is becoming more and more Godless with bone headed decissions like this. What's next for this wonderful state? It's an embarassment to me and the moral majority. Shame on you Bob!

  • fridgewrestler

    Judge Hanson opened up a big can of worms. Iowa is becoming more and more Godless with bone headed decissions like this. What's next for this wonderful state? It's an embarassment to me and the moral majority. Shame on you Bob!

  • Chris Tucker

    A simple solution to Kenneth’s Dilemma If you are opposed to same sex marriage, don’t marry another man!

    Simple, isn’t it?

  • gravitybear

    He didn’t say that… Kenneth, from what was quoted above, the judge didn’t say that traditional opposite-sex marriage serves no state purpose.
    Here’s the crucial part, he said that denying same-sex couples the right to marry serves no state purpose.

    See the difference?

  • BillMcD

    What Humankind’s been doing for 20,000 years… Boinking a lot and getting told by the girl’s father ‘Alright now, Humankind, you knocked up my daughter, so here’s your options: You agree to support her and her children for the rest of your life. Or the rest of your life is about 10 minutes long. Choose.’

  • jvill

    Uh When you say man and woman over the past 20,000 years, and prior to any government, are you referring to the polygamy of the Mormons as recently as 50 years ago, or the rampant homosexuality that occurred during the birth of democracy in ancient Greece?

  • Mauro

    Do You Really Want An Answer? A lot of things have been around prior to any government, like murder, stealing, paganism, living in caves, and so on.  Unless you want to say that we need to all be living in caves, because that’s what we did 20,000 years ago, your argument is right of ridiculous.  That was actually the judge’s point; upholding tradition for tradition’s sake is NOT a legitimate government interest.  There’s a reason we have traditions, and sometimes those reasons stop applying so we must allow our traditions to be reformed, even if we keep adhering to them ourselves.  I’m assuming you’re a Christian; before Christianity, there were traditions galore that Christianity ended forcibly, like polytheism, not eating pork, mummification, and even the feeding of Christians to lions.  Saying we have to do them just because someone else has done them before is completely illogical.  If you get enjoyment out of upholding such traditions, then you can keep doing it, record those traditions in durable media for future generations (folk singing is on the verge of extinction, for instance, and someone ought to save it, but not coercively), or whatever it is you want to do.  But having the government mandate tradition to us is a perversion of our freedoms.

    The next time someone steals from you, just remember that even since Biblical times there have been thieves, so it’s OK to steal.

  • wbpNYC

    20,000?!? TWENTY THOUSAND YEARS?!?

    I thought you people thought the earth was only 6,000 years old….hummmmm…fuzzy math I think…

    The judge did not say (and NO judge has EVER said) that a family headed by a man and a woman does not serve valid state purposes – a purposefully fraudlent reading on your part – the judge stated that BARRING two people of the same gender from access to a state-granted license which allows them to marry – is unconstitutional and does not further legitimate state concerns.

    Perhaps if you were just a TINY little bit more honest (or smarter – you pick) you might get it.

    So there.

  • DesertStormVet

    Radical Rants… …and his Raving Rongs (they damned sure ain’t Right) are just pissed that they might not be able to continue to blatantly hate and discriminate. They hate unions (who watch out for and take care of the common folk), they hate gays (me thinks they doth protest too much), they love their bible (Chris, check out Leviticus 11-7, 12, 19-19, 19-20, 19-33, 20-10…then come back and thump your bible at us…or just shut the firetruck up and let the grownups who aren’t all wrapped up in their invisible friends (or the voices in their heads….six of one, half dozen of the other) take care of our state and country) but don’t follow it, they love their freedoms but don’t want to fight for it (that’s for our kids….the Mittens get to patrol waaaaay outside the Green Zone), they love their money and don’t want to part with it. Time for the Anti-Social Values not-much-fun-damentalist nut jobs to crawl back under their rocks with their Taliban pals and quit giving normal & sane people a hard time. In fact, why don’t you go play in the Middle East on your own crusade so our kids can come home.

  • Mauro

    Also from Mass “…the waters of the Charles River and Boston Harbor have not turned to blood.”

    Eh.  Might have been a step up.

    On the other hand, my House Masters in college are now married.  How many decades had they waited?  I don’t care what Romney wants to call the judges.  I am immensely proud to be living in Massachusetts because of this little bit of nondiscrimination, and I hope that you Iowans can have the same reason to be proud of your state.  Let the country know that the big coastal cities are not the only places in this country with strong moral values and real intelligent policy.

  • Chris Tucker

    That’s nice, Kenneth, I mean, ‘Nancy’. Now run along and play. The grownups are talking.

  • Crablaw

    Cite your sources If you think that Lambda Legal wants to lower the age of consent to 4, show a little work ethic and cite primary sources.

    Hint: what you pastor said last week in church is not a primary source, unless he heads Lambda Legal.

  • Chris Tucker

    Er, I beg your pardon?(Chris, check out Leviticus 11-7, 12, 19-19, 19-20, 19-33, 20-10…then come back and thump your bible at us…or just shut the firetruck up and let the grownups who aren’t all wrapped up in their invisible friends (or the voices in their heads….six of one, half dozen of the other)

    I think you’re confusing me with someone else.

  • DesertStormVet

    oops… …Wrong Chris. Our resident radical raving religious rong-wing rowdy is Christopher Rants, the best Iowa’s GOP can muster. He’s the house minority leader (GOP), or what we like to think of as the Rants and Raves.  Sorry for the confusion.

  • Chris Tucker

    RE: Ooops ‘S’allright!

    Could be worse, you could of thought I was Chris Tucker the annoying actor.

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