Comments on: UI Hawkeye Poll: 42 percent of voters can’t identify Obama’s religion http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion Iowa politics, news, and commentary Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:05:29 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Netter http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-19770 Netter Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:43:04 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-19770 RegJoe, what feeds YOUR prejudices? If GOP prejudice flows out of ignorance, mis-information and dogma, then please extol the virtues of being an Obama worshipper so GOPs everywhere can become enlightened. I wish we could stop the ridicule factor in political discussions. I find liberals/democrats to be extremely mocking, antagonistic people who care little about respecting others and preserving dignity. Also, if you think that religion- or lack of- isn't a huge player in what motivates or guides a person, you are limited in your power of reason. Theocracies are usually oppressive and repressive forces in a culture. Ideologies are important too - research 'Afrocentrist separatist' and see if you like that model for America. RegJoe, what feeds YOUR prejudices? If GOP prejudice flows out of ignorance, mis-information and dogma, then please extol the virtues of being an Obama worshipper so GOPs everywhere can become enlightened. I wish we could stop the ridicule factor in political discussions. I find liberals/democrats to be extremely mocking, antagonistic people who care little about respecting others and preserving dignity. Also, if you think that religion- or lack of- isn't a huge player in what motivates or guides a person, you are limited in your power of reason. Theocracies are usually oppressive and repressive forces in a culture. Ideologies are important too – research 'Afrocentrist separatist' and see if you like that model for America.

]]> By: Netter http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-14001 Netter Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:43:04 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-14001 RegJoe, what feeds YOUR prejudices? If GOP prejudice flows out of ignorance, mis-information and dogma, then please extol the virtues of being an Obama worshipper so GOPs everywhere can become enlightened. I wish we could stop the ridicule factor in political discussions. I find liberals/democrats to be extremely mocking, antagonistic people who care little about respecting others and preserving dignity. Also, if you think that religion- or lack of- isn't a huge player in what motivates or guides a person, you are limited in your power of reason. Theocracies are usually oppressive and repressive forces in a culture. Ideologies are important too - research 'Afrocentrist separatist' and see if you like that model for America. RegJoe, what feeds YOUR prejudices? If GOP prejudice flows out of ignorance, mis-information and dogma, then please extol the virtues of being an Obama worshipper so GOPs everywhere can become enlightened. I wish we could stop the ridicule factor in political discussions. I find liberals/democrats to be extremely mocking, antagonistic people who care little about respecting others and preserving dignity. Also, if you think that religion- or lack of- isn't a huge player in what motivates or guides a person, you are limited in your power of reason. Theocracies are usually oppressive and repressive forces in a culture. Ideologies are important too – research 'Afrocentrist separatist' and see if you like that model for America.

]]> By: JKIR http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13973 JKIR Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:12:58 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13973 Thank you, Netter. That really says a lot about blacks voting for Obama. They want it really bad. I wish I could vote for O because I do think it's "their turn" but this guy just doesn't work for me. I'm holding out for someone I can trust a little more. McCain isn't perfect by any means, either. It's just a tough year to be an American, LOL. Perhaps you will find this interesting: <a href="http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%2527s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf">http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hi...</a> Thank you, Netter. That really says a lot about blacks voting for Obama. They want it really bad. I wish I could vote for O because I do think it's “their turn” but this guy just doesn't work for me. I'm holding out for someone I can trust a little more. McCain isn't perfect by any means, either. It's just a tough year to be an American, LOL. Perhaps you will find this interesting: http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%27s_Use_of_Hi...

]]> By: RegularJoe http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13972 RegularJoe Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:54:42 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13972 Never said I did believe Obama is better on foreign policy (I do, but it's irrelevant to the issue at hand). I'm not really interested in herrings, red or otherwise, so let's get back on topic.<br>The point of the article, and my postings, is that a large percentage of people do not know basic facts about the next leader of the free world, and it seems that if you are GOP, you're less likely to know what Obama's religion is...same if you're under- (or un-) educated, same if you're a fundamentalist. Combine all three, and chances are you're waaay off base...not necessarily any one particular person (say, you), just statistically. It's hard to make a rational decision about someone when you don't know the facts...even harder if you have a strong belief in 'facts' which are false, wrong, erroneous, imaginary.<br>Whether Obama's personal faith is relevant to the job he's applied for could make an interesting topic for a future discussion, but who a person's invisible friend is isn't irrelevant to the premise of this discussion.<br>Thanks for asking. Never said I did believe Obama is better on foreign policy (I do, but it's irrelevant to the issue at hand). I'm not really interested in herrings, red or otherwise, so let's get back on topic.
The point of the article, and my postings, is that a large percentage of people do not know basic facts about the next leader of the free world, and it seems that if you are GOP, you're less likely to know what Obama's religion is…same if you're under- (or un-) educated, same if you're a fundamentalist. Combine all three, and chances are you're waaay off base…not necessarily any one particular person (say, you), just statistically. It's hard to make a rational decision about someone when you don't know the facts…even harder if you have a strong belief in 'facts' which are false, wrong, erroneous, imaginary.
Whether Obama's personal faith is relevant to the job he's applied for could make an interesting topic for a future discussion, but who a person's invisible friend is isn't irrelevant to the premise of this discussion.
Thanks for asking.

]]> By: Netter http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13967 Netter Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:20:26 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13967 JKIR, you may appreciate this Howard Stern clip " Do Obama Supporters Know the Difference Between Obama McCain Policies?....http://entertainmentjam.polijam.com/?p=337 JKIR, you may appreciate this Howard Stern clip ” Do Obama Supporters Know the Difference Between Obama McCain Policies?….http://entertainmentjam.polijam.com/?p=337

]]> By: Netter http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13966 Netter Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:04:14 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13966 Ok then, tell us why you believe Obama is better on foreign policy than McCain, please? Ok then, tell us why you believe Obama is better on foreign policy than McCain, please?

]]> By: Netter http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13963 Netter Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:30:33 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13963 HOW OFFENSIVE!!!!!<br>"Another possible factor responsible for voters mistaking Obama’s religion may be tied to a voter’s education level, the poll found. Seventy-two percent of those who believe Obama is Muslim have not graduated from college. Moreover, the poll found that nearly 14 percent of those who identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christian think Obama is a Muslim, compared to 6.6 percent of non-evangelical voters."<br><br>COULDN'T BE SOMETHING BIASED IN THE POLLING QUESTIONS, COULD THERE? Many thinking, educated people have legitimate concerns about the influence of Obama's formative years. And, it would seem that in his political years it was expedient to partner-up with a Christian identity (albeit, a variant form of Christianity).<br><br>Here's a source of some good reading (esp Wright101): <a href="http://www.eppc.org/">http://www.eppc.org/</a> spelling out many of the reasons why McCain is the only choice for this period in American history. I really feel that Obama needs to cure a bit longer in the Congress and run for President when we have a better handle on the state of foreign affairs in the Middle East. Here's an informative link on the complexities of the troops withdrawal timeline: <a href="http://www.understandingwar.org/timeline-sofa-n">http://www.understandingwar.org/timeline-sofa-n</a>.... As you read these things, bear in mind the controversies over Obama's heritage and ask yourself this, how can I be assured that Obama has a deeper loyalty to America and American Heritage than he does for his father's kin and sharia law? I do NOT believe Obama is a terrorist. I believe he is an important leader of this nation and a fascinating man with something important to contribute to this society. However, since Obama is not inclined to make a public confession of his Christian faith, it is not out of line to wonder if his studies of the Quran between the formative years of 2 and 10 took seed in his heart. I think he needs more wisdom and judgement before being handed this heavy baton in foreign policy. I am fearful of the star status and the amount of campaign funding coming from Islamic nations to Obama (<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_d">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_d</a>...), as well as how the likes of Louis Farrakhan perceive Obama's rise to power. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs</a> HOW OFFENSIVE!!!!!
“Another possible factor responsible for voters mistaking Obama’s religion may be tied to a voter’s education level, the poll found. Seventy-two percent of those who believe Obama is Muslim have not graduated from college. Moreover, the poll found that nearly 14 percent of those who identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christian think Obama is a Muslim, compared to 6.6 percent of non-evangelical voters.”

COULDN'T BE SOMETHING BIASED IN THE POLLING QUESTIONS, COULD THERE? Many thinking, educated people have legitimate concerns about the influence of Obama's formative years. And, it would seem that in his political years it was expedient to partner-up with a Christian identity (albeit, a variant form of Christianity).

Here's a source of some good reading (esp Wright101): http://www.eppc.org/ spelling out many of the reasons why McCain is the only choice for this period in American history. I really feel that Obama needs to cure a bit longer in the Congress and run for President when we have a better handle on the state of foreign affairs in the Middle East. Here's an informative link on the complexities of the troops withdrawal timeline: http://www.understandingwar.org/timeline-sofa-n…. As you read these things, bear in mind the controversies over Obama's heritage and ask yourself this, how can I be assured that Obama has a deeper loyalty to America and American Heritage than he does for his father's kin and sharia law? I do NOT believe Obama is a terrorist. I believe he is an important leader of this nation and a fascinating man with something important to contribute to this society. However, since Obama is not inclined to make a public confession of his Christian faith, it is not out of line to wonder if his studies of the Quran between the formative years of 2 and 10 took seed in his heart. I think he needs more wisdom and judgement before being handed this heavy baton in foreign policy. I am fearful of the star status and the amount of campaign funding coming from Islamic nations to Obama (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_d…), as well as how the likes of Louis Farrakhan perceive Obama's rise to power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs

]]> By: Kwaayesnama http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13943 Kwaayesnama Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:37:24 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13943 I do not care if a person worships as a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or Jew. I do not care if a candidate is black or white. I do not care if a candidate is a war hero, I do not care is a candidate is a republican or a democrat. All I care about is if the candidate is intelligent enough to get this nation out of the mess we are in now. <br><br>I am an Arizona Republican but I will not be voting for John McCain. Why? Because, with the problems in the US and the world is facing today the nation needs intelligence in the White House.<br><br>Lets see my choice is John McCain or that smart black man Barack Obama?<br><br>McCain who does not know how to use a computer but is willing to learn if we elect him – I’ll just vote for that smart black man. <br><br>My Choices are: John McCain who says the economic downturn is psychological? - Na! I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>McCain who says you are better off under George Bush? - Nope I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>Mc Cain who wants to continue killing more people looking for weapons of mass destruction that do not exist? - Gee! I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>McCain who believes that we should stay the course but is not willing to support the people he puts in harms way. - I'll take a chance on the smart black man. <br><br>Should I vote for a man that does not know that 9-11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden not Sedam Hussein? - Easy! I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>Vote for the man who does not know if the Sunnis or Sheits are our enemies? - No way I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>Vote for the man who helped put our government on the China, Saudi Arabia credit card? - Not a chance I'll vote for the smart black man.<br><br>Vote for the man with the worst temper in the Senate to have his finger on the nuclear button? - No way - I’m voting for the smart black man, Barack Obama. I do not care if a person worships as a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or Jew. I do not care if a candidate is black or white. I do not care if a candidate is a war hero, I do not care is a candidate is a republican or a democrat. All I care about is if the candidate is intelligent enough to get this nation out of the mess we are in now.

I am an Arizona Republican but I will not be voting for John McCain. Why? Because, with the problems in the US and the world is facing today the nation needs intelligence in the White House.

Lets see my choice is John McCain or that smart black man Barack Obama?

McCain who does not know how to use a computer but is willing to learn if we elect him – I’ll just vote for that smart black man.

My Choices are: John McCain who says the economic downturn is psychological? – Na! I'll vote for the smart black man.

McCain who says you are better off under George Bush? – Nope I'll vote for the smart black man.

Mc Cain who wants to continue killing more people looking for weapons of mass destruction that do not exist? – Gee! I'll vote for the smart black man.

McCain who believes that we should stay the course but is not willing to support the people he puts in harms way. – I'll take a chance on the smart black man.

Should I vote for a man that does not know that 9-11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden not Sedam Hussein? – Easy! I'll vote for the smart black man.

Vote for the man who does not know if the Sunnis or Sheits are our enemies? – No way I'll vote for the smart black man.

Vote for the man who helped put our government on the China, Saudi Arabia credit card? – Not a chance I'll vote for the smart black man.

Vote for the man with the worst temper in the Senate to have his finger on the nuclear button? – No way – I’m voting for the smart black man, Barack Obama.

]]> By: JKIR http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13927 JKIR Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:16:18 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13927 My idea of a Christian value is standing up when lies are spoken and speaking out against them. I really don't know too much about the "Fundies" because I am Methodist--Open hearts, open minds, etc. I generally lean left but this has been a tough election period. I dislike Obama's tactics of pretending to be "above the fray" while his campaign and supporters smear, distort and suppress other people's viewpoints. My idea of a Christian value is standing up when lies are spoken and speaking out against them. I really don't know too much about the “Fundies” because I am Methodist–Open hearts, open minds, etc. I generally lean left but this has been a tough election period. I dislike Obama's tactics of pretending to be “above the fray” while his campaign and supporters smear, distort and suppress other people's viewpoints.

]]> By: RegularJoe http://iowaindependent.com/7076/ui-hawkeye-poll-42-percent-of-voters-cant-identify-obama%e2%80%99s-religion/comment-page-1#comment-13926 RegularJoe Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:43:00 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/?p=7076#comment-13926 Care to explain what your version of "Christian values" entails, and perhaps who exactly does "personify" them? I notice the fundies don't seem to, except for those few choice bits they like. Hypocritical people piss me and God off.<br><br>Some people's kids... Care to explain what your version of “Christian values” entails, and perhaps who exactly does “personify” them? I notice the fundies don't seem to, except for those few choice bits they like. Hypocritical people piss me and God off.

Some people's kids…

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