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		<title>By: MarlaStevens</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/6870/iowa-could-be-next-in-battle-for-same-sex-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>MarlaStevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean groups could not use taxpayers&#039; money to violate laws that guarantee equal access to public accommodations in a fair and open marketplace?  Shocking!   You mean individual businesspeople who are members of the KKK&#039;s sister organization, the Christian Identity Church, can&#039;t run a business serving the public but refuse to serve black people because they have a religious basis for their segregationist desires?  Oh, the horror!  Oh, the frightful religious intolerance -- NOT!  They are all free to personally hold their religious views while, simultaneously, operating under the same legal rules of fair play that everyone else plays by.  Their rights to act the bigot end where others&#039; rights to fair treatment in the public marketplace under the law begin.  It does not violate their right to believe what and worship how they choose.  Why people they want to treat so badly would want to do business with them is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean groups could not use taxpayers&#39; money to violate laws that guarantee equal access to public accommodations in a fair and open marketplace?  Shocking!   You mean individual businesspeople who are members of the KKK&#39;s sister organization, the Christian Identity Church, can&#39;t run a business serving the public but refuse to serve black people because they have a religious basis for their segregationist desires?  Oh, the horror!  Oh, the frightful religious intolerance &#8212; NOT!  They are all free to personally hold their religious views while, simultaneously, operating under the same legal rules of fair play that everyone else plays by.  Their rights to act the bigot end where others&#39; rights to fair treatment in the public marketplace under the law begin.  It does not violate their right to believe what and worship how they choose.  Why people they want to treat so badly would want to do business with them is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: MarlaStevens</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/6870/iowa-could-be-next-in-battle-for-same-sex-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-14759</link>
		<dc:creator>MarlaStevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean groups could not use taxpayers&#039; money to violate laws that guarantee equal access to public accommodations in a fair and open marketplace?  Shocking!   You mean individual businesspeople who are members of the KKK&#039;s sister organization, the Christian Identity Church, can&#039;t run a business serving the public but refuse to serve black people because they have a religious basis for their segregationist desires?  Oh, the horror!  Oh, the frightful religious intolerance -- NOT!  They are all free to personally hold their religious views while, simultaneously, operating under the same legal rules of fair play that everyone else plays by.  Their rights to act the bigot end where others&#039; rights to fair treatment in the public marketplace under the law begin.  It does not violate their right to believe what and worship how they choose.  Why people they want to treat so badly would want to do business with them is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean groups could not use taxpayers&#39; money to violate laws that guarantee equal access to public accommodations in a fair and open marketplace?  Shocking!   You mean individual businesspeople who are members of the KKK&#39;s sister organization, the Christian Identity Church, can&#39;t run a business serving the public but refuse to serve black people because they have a religious basis for their segregationist desires?  Oh, the horror!  Oh, the frightful religious intolerance &#8212; NOT!  They are all free to personally hold their religious views while, simultaneously, operating under the same legal rules of fair play that everyone else plays by.  Their rights to act the bigot end where others&#39; rights to fair treatment in the public marketplace under the law begin.  It does not violate their right to believe what and worship how they choose.  Why people they want to treat so badly would want to do business with them is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocate4Good</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/6870/iowa-could-be-next-in-battle-for-same-sex-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-14092</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocate4Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminalizing Faith&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Submitted by Drew McKissick on May 21, 2008 - 12:00am.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cc.org/commentary/criminalizing_faith&quot;&gt;http://www.cc.org/commentary/criminalizing_faith&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The slippery slope of secular humanism continues to become even more so all around the world.  We are quickly moving beyond a mere degradation of social virtues to outright hostility against religion and potential criminalization of adherents who practice their faith in their daily lives.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;In recent years we have seen the Dutch government change its laws to allow euthanasia, gay marriage, infanticide of imperfect children, and most recently, the sanctioning of gay polygamous unions.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Gay marriage has become a reality in Canada and Massachusetts.  For years our own governments have flirted with passage of so called &quot;hate crimes&quot; legislation that essentially criminalizes individual thoughts by way of adding extra penalties if biases, hatreds or intolerances are perceived in the commission of a crime.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;And now the British government is proposing a sweeping new legal code that would forbid discrimination against homosexuals when in the market for &quot;goods and services&quot;.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;As we know from our own experience in this country with the broad interpretation of our Constitution&#039;s language regarding interstate commerce, it’s no leap of logic to deduce that &quot;goods and services&quot; will soon encompass just about any human interaction involving an exchange of money.  Its effect will be that of forcing people of faith, be it Christian, Jew or Muslim - pretty much everyone except secular humanists - to act contrary to their religious beliefs in the conduct of their everyday lives, or else become a criminal.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;For example, religious schools would commit a crime by not allowing gay students or teachers.  Churches that occasionally rent out their facilities for community events would violate the law by not allowing gays the same access - perhaps even to hold same-sex marriage services.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Religious newspapers would violate the law if they refuse to run advertisements for gay lobbying groups.  A Christian owned ad agency would be unable to refuse to do work for a campaign promoting gay marriage.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;In short, the active practice of one&#039;s faith in everyday life would no longer be legal.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Here in the United States, the move by Massachusetts&#039; Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage without so much as a vote by that state&#039;s legislature, much less its citizens, has resulted in making the adoption agency practices of the Catholic Church illegal.  That being the case, the Church was forced to end providing such services altogether, rather than compromise their faith.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;The implications don&#039;t stop there.  Kansas Senator Sam Brownback recently pointed out that, &quot;...in states with same-sex marriage, religiously affiliated schools, adoption agencies, psychological clinics, social workers, marital counselors, etc. will be forced to choose between violating their own deeply held beliefs and giving up government contracts, tax-exempt status, or even being denied the right to operate at all.&quot;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Generally, such proposed legal changes stem from the fact that the secular humanist crowd doesn&#039;t see religion as something that should instruct one&#039;s daily life and relationships, but rather as simply representative of a place some people go on Sunday.  And they have no patience for people who take it more seriously than that.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Someone once said that true tolerance also means having tolerance for the views of the majority.  While history is filled with examples of religious intolerances, the greatest levels of intolerance today no longer come from the faithful, but rather from the anti-religious.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Much is made by the left in our country of the First Amendment&#039;s  establishment clause in our Constitution, which states that &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...&quot;.  From bans on prayer in schools, or at publicly sponsored events, to public displays of the Ten Commandments and even the inclusion of the words &quot;under God&quot; in our Pledge of Allegiance, we are told that such observances constitute an establishment of religion and are therefore unconstitutional.&lt;br&gt;  &lt;br&gt;They seem to forget that the very next phrase in the First Amendment states, &quot;or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&quot;.  In other words, it provides for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Here in this country and abroad, we desperately need fewer politicians and judges working to use the state as a weapon against religious practice, and more that will be vigilant to oppose government actions that prohibit the free exercise of religion in our everyday lives.</description>
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<p>Submitted by Drew McKissick on May 21, 2008 &#8211; 12:00am.<br /><a href="http://www.cc.org/commentary/criminalizing_faith">http://www.cc.org/commentary/criminalizing_faith</a></p>
<p>The slippery slope of secular humanism continues to become even more so all around the world.  We are quickly moving beyond a mere degradation of social virtues to outright hostility against religion and potential criminalization of adherents who practice their faith in their daily lives.</p>
<p>In recent years we have seen the Dutch government change its laws to allow euthanasia, gay marriage, infanticide of imperfect children, and most recently, the sanctioning of gay polygamous unions.</p>
<p>Gay marriage has become a reality in Canada and Massachusetts.  For years our own governments have flirted with passage of so called &#8220;hate crimes&#8221; legislation that essentially criminalizes individual thoughts by way of adding extra penalties if biases, hatreds or intolerances are perceived in the commission of a crime.</p>
<p>And now the British government is proposing a sweeping new legal code that would forbid discrimination against homosexuals when in the market for &#8220;goods and services&#8221;.</p>
<p>As we know from our own experience in this country with the broad interpretation of our Constitution&#39;s language regarding interstate commerce, it’s no leap of logic to deduce that &#8220;goods and services&#8221; will soon encompass just about any human interaction involving an exchange of money.  Its effect will be that of forcing people of faith, be it Christian, Jew or Muslim &#8211; pretty much everyone except secular humanists &#8211; to act contrary to their religious beliefs in the conduct of their everyday lives, or else become a criminal.</p>
<p>For example, religious schools would commit a crime by not allowing gay students or teachers.  Churches that occasionally rent out their facilities for community events would violate the law by not allowing gays the same access &#8211; perhaps even to hold same-sex marriage services.</p>
<p>Religious newspapers would violate the law if they refuse to run advertisements for gay lobbying groups.  A Christian owned ad agency would be unable to refuse to do work for a campaign promoting gay marriage.</p>
<p>In short, the active practice of one&#39;s faith in everyday life would no longer be legal.</p>
<p>Here in the United States, the move by Massachusetts&#39; Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage without so much as a vote by that state&#39;s legislature, much less its citizens, has resulted in making the adoption agency practices of the Catholic Church illegal.  That being the case, the Church was forced to end providing such services altogether, rather than compromise their faith.</p>
<p>The implications don&#39;t stop there.  Kansas Senator Sam Brownback recently pointed out that, &#8220;&#8230;in states with same-sex marriage, religiously affiliated schools, adoption agencies, psychological clinics, social workers, marital counselors, etc. will be forced to choose between violating their own deeply held beliefs and giving up government contracts, tax-exempt status, or even being denied the right to operate at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>Generally, such proposed legal changes stem from the fact that the secular humanist crowd doesn&#39;t see religion as something that should instruct one&#39;s daily life and relationships, but rather as simply representative of a place some people go on Sunday.  And they have no patience for people who take it more seriously than that.</p>
<p>Someone once said that true tolerance also means having tolerance for the views of the majority.  While history is filled with examples of religious intolerances, the greatest levels of intolerance today no longer come from the faithful, but rather from the anti-religious.</p>
<p>Much is made by the left in our country of the First Amendment&#39;s  establishment clause in our Constitution, which states that &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion&#8230;&#8221;.  From bans on prayer in schools, or at publicly sponsored events, to public displays of the Ten Commandments and even the inclusion of the words &#8220;under God&#8221; in our Pledge of Allegiance, we are told that such observances constitute an establishment of religion and are therefore unconstitutional.</p>
<p>They seem to forget that the very next phrase in the First Amendment states, &#8220;or prohibiting the free exercise thereof&#8221;.  In other words, it provides for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.</p>
<p>Here in this country and abroad, we desperately need fewer politicians and judges working to use the state as a weapon against religious practice, and more that will be vigilant to oppose government actions that prohibit the free exercise of religion in our everyday lives.</p>
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		<title>By: slincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>slincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funniest rebuttal to that Iowa &quot;Christian&quot; Alliance group - Every single member of the supreme court of Iowa voted yes to the lesbian divorce several years back.  Not a single dissent.  How can you have a lesbian divorce without there being such a thing as a lesbian marriage?  I doubt those three justices are the only ones he has to fear.  Not that I fear them, I actually believe in equal rights based on the constitution and not his interpretation of the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest rebuttal to that Iowa &#8220;Christian&#8221; Alliance group &#8211; Every single member of the supreme court of Iowa voted yes to the lesbian divorce several years back.  Not a single dissent.  How can you have a lesbian divorce without there being such a thing as a lesbian marriage?  I doubt those three justices are the only ones he has to fear.  Not that I fear them, I actually believe in equal rights based on the constitution and not his interpretation of the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: MickeyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MickeyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Iowa!  Most people have forgotten about those German immigrants who settled the area in the 1840s and 1850s.  Many were called free thinkers and came to Iowa and Nebraska for the freedom afforded by the United States. Same sex marriage will affect only a tiny group of people so who is it hurting to allow it? For most of us growing up in the 1960s, we saw the same arguments and rhetoric used to support segregation laws.  Surely we&#039;ve all learned something from those days.  Fighting to keep rights from a minority is not what America is all about and is not what our ancestors came to this country for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Iowa!  Most people have forgotten about those German immigrants who settled the area in the 1840s and 1850s.  Many were called free thinkers and came to Iowa and Nebraska for the freedom afforded by the United States. Same sex marriage will affect only a tiny group of people so who is it hurting to allow it? For most of us growing up in the 1960s, we saw the same arguments and rhetoric used to support segregation laws.  Surely we&#39;ve all learned something from those days.  Fighting to keep rights from a minority is not what America is all about and is not what our ancestors came to this country for.</p>
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