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A recently introduced bill could have far-reaching impact on the U.S. sugar industry, including American Crystal Sugar, a farmer-owned cooperative that locked out 1,300 Midwest workers on Aug. 1.

Cain campaign: Farmers know more about regulations than EPA

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Mathis wins, Democrats maintain Senate control

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The Iowa Senate will remain under the control of a slim 26-25 Democratic majority when it reconvenes in January 2012.

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PR: Honoring veterans, help in hiring

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CHUCK GRASSLEY RELEASE — A difficult job market is challenging the soldiers, sailors and airmen who have protected America’s interests by serving in the Armed Forces.

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Iowa House passes constitutional ban on same-sex marriage

GOP Rep. Anderson says gay marriage likely will lead to legalized polygamy, incest
By Jason Hancock | 02.01.11 | 2:20 pm

A constitutional ban on gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships passed the Iowa House Tuesday afternoon 62-37. Democratic Reps. Dan Muhlbauer, Brian Quirk and Kurt Swaim joined 59 Republicans in support of the measure. Thirty-seven Democrats voted “no,” and one Republican was absent.

The legislation, House Joint Resolution 6, was the subject of nearly three hours of debate with only two lawmakers speaking up in support. The rest of the time was filled with Democrats denouncing the bill as nothing more than writing prejudice and discrimination into the constitution.

“Here’s the funny things about rights — they’re not supposed to be voted on,” said state Rep. Bruce Hunter (D-Des Moines).

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (D-Des Moines) worried about how history will judge Iowa lawmakers who vote in support of revoking marriage rights for same-sex couples.

“Many years from now we’ll look back on this debate and we’ll regret it,” he said.

After discussing his belief that marriage is about “responsible procreation,” state Rep. Rich Anderson (R-Clarinda) asked what could come next if the 2009 Iowa Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage is allowed to stand. He concluded that it would lead to legalized polygamy and incest.

“If we remove the gender requirement for marriage, there is no rational basis to define the number,” he said. “So we open up the possibility of the constitutional recognition of polygamous relationships. That’s a slippery slope. And I don’t know where the logic is to draw the line. We wouldn’t recognize incestuous relationships between two consenting adult brothers and sisters. That raises up within us disgust, and we can’t accept that. We draw lines. We define marriage.”

Some of the most impassioned testimony came from state Rep. Beth Wessel-Kroeschell (D-Ames), who argued that Iowa has long been ahead of the rest of the nation in recognizing the rights of minorities.

“Iowa is a special place. We have been ahead of the nation many times when it comes to civil rights. Here we are again; we are ahead of much of the nation. I am proud of the role we play to lead our nation in civil rights again,” she said.

“In the 1967 case, Loving v. Virginia not only ended the ban on interracial marriage but declared that marriage is one of the basic civil rights,” Wessel-Kroeschell continued. “In a representative democracy, we must not only vote the will of our constituents, but we must also do our homework, and sometimes we need to ignore the polls and do the right thing. This is one of those cases. We need to be on the right side of history, vote for equality and justice for all and vote no on HJR 6.”

Two outspoken opponents of marriage equity — Republican state Reps. Glen Massie of Des Moines and Rep. Kim Pearson of Pleasant Hill — took the highly unusual step of refusing to answer questions in defense of the constitutional amendment when requested by Democratic state Rep. Nathan Willems of Lisbon. Willems eventually got state Rep. Erik Helland (R-Johnston) to discuss whether the Equal Protection Clause of the Iowa Constitution applies to everyone except for gay couples, with Hellend concluding that there is a fundamental disagreement on the issue.

Carolyn Jenison, executive director of the LGBT-rights group One Iowa, said the amendment “devalues families and divides Iowans.”

“The Constitution is meant to protect the freedoms and liberties of all Iowans,” she said after the bill passed. “It is inappropriate to use the political process to single out and deny a group of Iowans of their constitutional protections.”

In order to become law, the amendment must now pass in the Democratic-controlled Iowa Senate, where Majority Leader Mike Gronstal, a Council Bluffs Democrat, has vowed to block it. If it succeeds there, it must be passed by both the House and Senate again in 2013 before it can be placed on the ballot.

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  • David_in_Houston

    “A constitutional ban on gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships passed the Iowa House Tuesday afternoon 62-37…”

    So this wasn’t REALLY about “protecting marriage” was it? How does banning civil unions and domestic partnerships protect anyone’s marriage? This is simply dislike and animus directed at gay citizens. The classic definition of homophobia. Even if this somehow passes, and gets voted for, the new-and-improved Supreme Court will rule it unconstitutional.

    As for Rep. Anderson’s laughable argument that same-sex marriage will lead to polygamy and incestuous marriage… where is the proof? Massachusetts has had same-sex marriage for 6 years. No one there is demanding 5 wives or the right to marry their child. In fact, polygamy and incest are predominantly heterosexual undertakings… so why didn’t interracial marriage lead to those things?

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately, if the amendment is adopted, the SC will not only not be able to strike it down, they will be stuck enforcing it, as it will be a part of the Constitution. Which means that if a later law is proposed allowing gay marriage, the SC will have to strike that new law down as unconstitutional, unless it is a constitutional amendment removing the original amendment.

      This whole thing hinges upon the deliberate misportrayal of the SC’s decision as a theft of “the power of the people”, when in fact the purpose of the SC is to protect the minority from arbitrary abuse from the majority, as they did in the Varnum case. People have been so incredibly (and all too easily) misled on this that they’ve attacked the SC and fought against the rule of law. And now, if the far-right extremists can keep that misled sense of outrage going, they may manage to shove this amendment, which fundamentally betrays everything Iowa is about, into our Constitution.

      I wish I’d talked to more people in advance of the last election. I never thought so many Iowans could be so willfully ignorant.

      • Anonymous

        The Iowa Supreme Court most certainly could — and probably would — strike down a state constitutional amendment that so clearly violates the federal constitution.

        This is even more egregious than Colorado’s Amendment 2, which was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. The Republicans who proposed this robbery of rights knew that going into it. They’re thugs.

        • Anonymous

          The SCOTUS can strike it down. But if the Iowa Constitution gets rewritten, the ISC must defend the rewrite as they would defend the original. Or step down.

          Frankly, it’d serve these idiots right if, simultaneously, the sensible, open-minded people simply abandoned the state, and the SC justices resigned en masse. Iowa would shut down, and the enormous bill to sort the ensuing chaos would be borne by the bigots who instigated this mess in the first place. Where would NOM be then, I wonder?

          As it is, we’re all going to have to bear the financial burden of a runaway legislature creating discriminatory amendments which must then be defended and appealed through successive levels of federal court. We did not need this expense, or this disruption of the lives of contributing citizens. From a purely econo-centric perspective, this amendment is suicide for the state. From the moral perspective, it’s the death of the soul of Iowa.

          • Anonymous

            The ISC can and does issue decisions relying on the federal constitution. Their authority is not limited to the state constitution. A challenged amendment is not part of the constitution, as we saw in Prop 8. Unfortunately, in that case, the California SC did not see Prop 8 as contradicting the state and federal constitutions because it ONLY removed the word “marriage”, leaving the rights in place. That would not be the case with this proposed Iowa amendment.

  • Anonymous

    what MANY people do NOT realize is…………this RIGHT WAS Already Established…..period! ..and Since then….100′s & 1000′s HAVE MARRIED……..do you really think you’re going to NULLIFY thier Marriages? No..you won’t……the ONLY thing this could wound up doing….is OPENING IOWA up to Expensive Litigation $$$$$…Paid BY the Taxpayers…..MILLIONS of Dollars of Tax Payer Money..that could Fund Much needed things People Need….and while that happens..it WILL pit Iowan against Iowan / neighbor against neighbor …and Forver RUIN the Reputation of IOWA……Wow, somethng to be really proud of…huh Iowa? Pathetic……Hey GOP…WHERE’S THE JOBS???????

    • Anonymous

      “…100′s & 1000′s HAVE MARRIED……..do you really think you’re going to NULLIFY thier Marriages? No..you won’t…”

      I’m not certain– I’ll have to look into it– but I don’t think they can nullify any previously-performed marriages already recognized by the state. And the bill doesn’t specifically say they are going to try to do that.

      And if you want to actually do something about saving marriage equality in Iowa:

      1) Even if you don’t live in Council Bluffs, send Mike Gronstal some help for the 2012 election, because they’ll be coming after him hard and the town is majority-Republican; and
      2) Get out of the house and ACTIVELY support the Democratic Iowa House and Senate candidates in the districts where you live.

      Mike is doing everything he can to keep this bill from passing during this General Assembly, but even if it does pass in this assembly the bigots will have to go back to Square One and start all over if they don’t ALSO pass it A SECOND TIME in the NEXT two-year General Assembly elected in 2012.

      To get onto a statewide ballot to amend the constitution, the amendment must pass BOTH houses during TWO CONSECUTIVE two-year General Assemblies.

      Unless they get passage in both houses of TWO CONSECUTIVE General Assemblies this bill evaporates like it was never there.

  • http://twitter.com/Singularity1729 Sarah

    What, exactly, do they intend to say to the 2,000+ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same_sex_marriage_in_Iowa#Statistics) couples this measure would forcibly divorce and strip of legal recognition and protections? I thought this was about “protecting marriage.” Why, then, are they working to remove civil unions and domestic partnerships as well?

    • Jakeh

      It’s what they ALWAYS do. This has nothing to do with marriage, just the simple hatred of these people and their families.

  • Anonymous

    So many heterosexuals claim that homosexuals are forcing their beliefs down heterosexuals’ throats. What about now? Tearing these families apart isn’t forcing your beliefs either? Typical hypocrites.

  • MetalNick

    Bang up job, Republicans. Way to regress and throw out nonsense like “procreation” as a reason to oppose same-sex marriage. Why don’t they put up a bill banning infertile couples from marrying? Or how about denying the right of two people who don’t want to have children to marry? The 59 Republicans and 3 Democrats of the Iowa House are ignorant hate mongers who should not be legislating hate and discrimination.

  • Jakeh

    Its amazing how eager repubs are willing to shit on thousands of families, humans (and children in many cases) for absolutely no reason (and even to a few of their faces in this case). This country has gone so far in eliminating this kind of supremacist BS, but “land of the free” still today seems like a lofty, struggling dream.

  • http://www.MACDONALDBANK.com MACDONALDBANK

    The evil writings in Leviticus 18:22 … against gays – depict: “P” … “priestly rules” & expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds … to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public — but to priests. Leviticus exists in the old testament & torah … & was written long after Moses — 600BC.

    The pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 18:22 applies to priests only … refuse to remove this stigma … maliciously persecuting gays. Kids bullied into suicide …! Being black or left-handed or being gay is just as natural. If the black community or women had it written that they should be put to death; how would they like that?

    Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality … soldiers being discharged are indeed exposing something far greater … the realization that there is something far more evil at work — hateful religion which should be discharged from society — period. United States is supposedly fighting for democracy but within the U.S. they treat gays like secondary citizens. It’s now time to shut down the churches with bibles about leviticus 18:22.
    Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; bibles have been getting away with this for ages.

    How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus — under his arm? Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council’s opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of “hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down. UK Prime Minister Cameron is facing this issue; as we speak … regarding homophobia & hateful muslim and islam extremes — being taught to children at the mosques and schools.

    • Anonymous

      Macdonaldbank, you’ve put yourself in a bit of an interesting situation. On the one hand, you are arguing that the commands of the Torah were not meant to apply to anyone but priests and on the other hand (in other posts) arguing that the bible is meaningless and irrelevant and untrue. If it is untrue, then why try to discount what it says by mischaracterizing it?

      To the first issue, you are wrong, according to the text itself. According to the text of Leviticus 18, the lord commanded Moses to “speak to the people of Israel saying” . . . and what follows 18 verses later is the command you mention. So, textually, the command cannot apply only to priests.

      In other posts, you argue that the bible is invalid because it is an invention of mankind and that Christianity is invalid because it is an invented religion. You make many assertions about how this came about, but no facts. There is no textual evidence for your assertion that Leviticus was written at 600 B.C. The oldest manuscripts we have are not even that old. The bottom line is that the book of Leviticus (whatever it’s date of origin) was considered to be part of the canon of Scripture. The New Testament, including the letters of Paul have been considered part of the canon of Scripture since it was clearly defined. Furthermore, the teaching of the community of faith (both Jewish and Christian) has been consistent on this issue since the beginning. Either accept it or reject it, but don’t twist it. A more consistent position would be that of one of my gay friends: “I will never believe anything that tells me my lifestyle is wrong.”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NTC2SHQ27L3JZYYPOKCWG7Z6XM Erica

        So JFriesen, if you believe we should follow Leviticus…

        Why aren’t we banning marriages of people who have shrimp at their weddings since Leviticus directs us not to eat shellfish? Why aren’t we banning marriages for people who wear poly-cotton blends since Leviticus directs us not to wear mixed fibers?

  • http://www.MACDONALDBANK.com MACDONALDBANK

    The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children: The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future — defending their integrity and dignity. Minority rights must be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government.

    Perhaps the irony might be — that the bogus hogus pogus hate-speech with its hateful leviticus 18:22 might bring the bible and torah into a banned status and the churches and synagogues shut down!

  • http://www.MACDONALDBANK.com MACDONALDBANK

    It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

    I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?

    It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. According to biblical law, a father can sell his daughter as a slave.
    Bibles and the torah which includes leviticus — should be immediately banned … for promoting hatred against minorities … namely the gay community and the crosses removed from all schools and churches.

    One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another.

    This holier than thou – written so there it shall be — fallacy; must be stopped!
    It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.
    This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Canada — and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down!
    By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state it also puts churches at the mercy of the state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.
    There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2011 year old fictional cult.
    In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity – a fantasy – which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.
    Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don’t shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.

  • http://www.eddiecaplan.com/ egc52556

    This sickening result was a foregone conclusion, just as its defeat in the Senate will be.

    That this was promulgated by people who purport to be Christians is tragic. Some day the so-called Christians who voted to strip away the civil rights of their neighbors will have to answer to a higher power who will remind them of Matthew 25:40 “And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

    Today you have turned away from love.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Henry-Juhala/1360425508 Henry Juhala

      Profound and true

  • http://twitter.com/dearjustindean Justin Dean

    How can someone sit there in the pursuit of taking away people’s happiness and be okay with his or herself? How can they not realize they are disgusting, hateful wretched people? This country won’t go to hell for allowing gays to marry, it’ll go to hell for allowing Christians and conservative bigots to take over the law. Canada has legalized marriage for gays, and that country certainly isn’t in anarchical chaos! Were the marriages of every Canadian heterosexual couple destroyed when gays were married there? I think not! The fact that equal rights is an issue disgusts me. I’ve about had it with this country. Equality is BS and so is freedom!

  • http://reconstitution.us/rcnew jollyroger

    Yeah, them Rushpubliscums…. all about fixing the economy that damn librul Kenyan broke!

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty sad when so few of the ‘supporters’ of this bill are even able to come up with explanations in support of it. I guess what it boils down to is “My party’s bigger, so we can do it because we want to.”

  • http://twitter.com/taosaur Taosaur Ftagn

    Bans on gay marriage are likely to lead to legalized theocracy…and also incest (Rep. Anderson might want to rethink that anti-incest stance, in light of his constituency).

  • Anonymous

    The only thing evangelicals hate more than gay people is Jesus.

  • Anonymous

    The hell is wrong with these idiots. Gay people are people too, you know. We’re all human, we all deserve to have equal rights, considering that’s what both the US and the Iowa Constitution guarantee us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLBYP4ZKJT4YYW5T3TB2ESNBGI Urbain Beck

    How on earth has marriage equality hurt Iowa so far? Have there been hoards of people knocking at the courthouse door demanding multiple wives or the right to marry their siblings? It is a shame that the Prop 8 federal trial before Judge Walker had not been televised, which put the facts — not the prejudice — on the table. For the Rebiblicans to be claiming that they are fiscally conservative, they sure are opening the door for expensive, tax payer funded litigation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/slincoln W Scott Lincoln

    The bigot republicans can’t even own up to their own hatred. Vote with no comment or answers to questions. Typical.

    • http://twitter.com/unkwntech unkwntech

      And yet, without them needing to spend hours delaring why they “are right” the managed to pass the bill.

      • http://www.facebook.com/slincoln W Scott Lincoln

        They had their minds made up beforehand. They didn’t need to hear the actual stories of Iowans harmed by the constitutional removal of their civil rights. It didn’t matter to them. It wasn’t about marriage, it wasn’t about civil rights – it was about hatred for gay couples.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T2TTBRUO3PMSB2F3NTU5IZ32UM LeAnn

    This angers me to no end. For someone to make the argument that marriage of a same sex couple could lead to incest or polygamous marriages is insane. The constitution guarantees everyone equal protection. How is this equal protection? I want to hear an explanation from these law makers as to how they can argue in favor of this when they are sworn to uphold the constitution of the State of Iowa and the United States. They cannot honestly say they are providing equal protection for the residents of Iowa. They are bigots and hypocrites. These individuals are not Christians. They only claim to be Christians. I can guarantee that Jesus would not be making the argument that these lawmakers are making.

    I am not sure how they can argue that their beliefs will withstand the ultimate test of the Supreme Court. The Court cannot deny cert for eternity. They will eventually have to hear the case. History has shown that in many cases separate is not equal.

    My one question to the Reps is “Would you stop being heterosexual tomorrow if the Constitution was amended forbidding you to be heterosexual?” I seriously doubt they would. Just because they make a law it does not mean that we will stop loving who we love. They can only deny us our guaranteed rights for so long.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, republicans are douchebags. Look at the states and countries that have legalized same sex marriage? Have any of these things lead to polygamy and incest? NO. THEY HAVE NOT. God, this angers me to no end. Marriage does not need “protecting.” They are using this to keep bigotry and hatred alive and well.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BF4TD457BBZP7YFOQ4EFA6Y3YA Joe

      They just need to look at their front doors and see that it hasn’t happened.

  • http://twitter.com/CelticQuestCafe Celtic Quest Cafe

    Gay marriage would lead to Polygamy and incest? So tell me where are all these polygamous and incestuous relationships in the time that Gay Marriage has been legal in Iowa? Hmmmm? Tell me that Mr. Anderson!! Show me the proof!! Show me the data that back up your statements!! That’s what I thought, you can’t back up your comments because you have no proof!! You sir are a shame and a disgrace to any public office!!!
    You have no right to tell me who I can and can’t love. You have no right to tell me who I can and can’t marry. Go crawl back under the rock you came out from under sir. We need fewer people in this country like you!!!

    • Anonymous

      It’s really an issue of logic. Polygamy and incest are brought up as examples in the extreme if an idea is taken to its logical conclusion. As a rhertorical device, data is unnecessary to the argument. The premise could probably better be stated as a question: If biology, culture and history are removed as invalid as we define the concept “marriage,” then marriage as a word and a concept becomes so elastic as to encompass any definition and hence, meaningless. So what are your parameters for defining marriage? Why are your parameters any more valid than a person defining marriage as between “a man and two women” or “a woman and two men” or “a man and his dog?”

      I really don’t care who you choose to love. But if we were to adopt wholesale your approach to language definition, communication would become impossible.

      Cheers!

      • Anonymous

        The difference here is, we’re not asking that marriage be undefined. A great many dictionaries have already undertaken to define this word, and while I haven’t checked them all, the ones I have checked include same sex marriage.

        What we’re asking is that our representatives not insert language inherently opposite to the idea of equal treatment under the law into our Constitution under the ploy based that they are just ‘defining marriage’. If they want to set age limits, fine; in the same way that we don’t let 14 year olds drive tanks, drink, or vote, I’m fine with not letting ‘em marry. But we let gays vote, drink, and (hooray!) now they can even drive tanks while being open about their orientation. How can we ban marriage without communicating “these are people inherently not entitled to the same rights as straight people”?

        • Anonymous

          Whether many dictionaries include same-sex relationships in their definition of marriage is irrelevant. The point I was trying to make is that once we remove biological, historical and cultural limits for the definition of the concept ‘marriage,’ then what is the criteria for establishing any limits at all? Even polygamy and polyandry have a greater historical support for being included in the definition of marriage. All I’m saying is “what is the criteria?” and then “why that criteria?”

          As far as the equality issue is concerned, unfortunately there are many bigots out there. Many of them claim to be Christians, though I am certain not all of them are (unfortunately, the word Christian is one which, through an elasticity of definition, has been rendered virtually meaningless). But I am curious (and this is an honest question for which I would appreciate a thoughtful answer – I am not trying to bash anyone here, but trying to enter into thoughtful dialogue) how does defnining marriage in a way that is rooted in both thousands of years of recorded history and biology inject inequality into the constitution?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BF4TD457BBZP7YFOQ4EFA6Y3YA Joe

        By that logic we never should have allowed interracial couples to marry, because that led to gay marriage. And thus we never should have allowed married women to own property because that would lead to interracial marriage. We should have stopped that “elasticity” a long time ago.

        • Anonymous

          Unfortunately Joe, your analogy doesn’t quite carry the same weight. The definition for marriage has for nearly every society throughout history been rooted, at core, in the biological distinction between male and female. Race is not a factor in this discussion. It is sad that our country (as many other countries did) banned interracial marriage for a good portion of its history. Many factors have fluctuated over time, but until now, the core of a definition has been rooted in biology.

  • http://bekitty.livejournal.com bekitty

    The thing that makes me laugh (bitterly, in a lolsob kind of way) is that the propsed law change is described as “constitutional”. It might be a change to the Iowa state constitution, but it sure as hell isn’t constitutional in the more federal sense of the word.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HUW4UGLGHJGGUW7HQMJGQ4IUP4 Paige Smith

    Our government is full of idiots. You people that are using the Bible as the basis for this are sick. Separation of church and state for one thing and another? You’re denying human beings rights. People that support this are disgusting.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCFJUVTQV6OAKZ6RUVWBG7CZ3I Matt

    I’m sure glad my family left Iowa, too bad we didn’t go far enough.

  • http://twitter.com/smacss sharon

    I find it interesting that all the comments before mine support gay rights – are there no conservatives willing to defend this laughable vote? Double dare you.

    • Anonymous

      Sharon, I am not from Iowa, but if I were, I would have supported this vote. i might ask you a question: Why are you afraid of putting this in front of the people of Iowa and allowing them to decide for themselves? That’s all this vote calls for.

      • http://twitter.com/southpaw491 LT

        I always wonder how people can be so utterly lacking in empathy to understand why this is wrong. Just imagine, for a second, that you got married to the partner (human, non-related and consenting) you loved and some random men came up to you saying “well, we don’t think your marriage is good for our vision of society. So we’re going to let a bunch of people you don’t know vote on your happiness. We’re just trying to define marriage, not take away any of your rights (ps. you won’t be able to get married anymore after the vote).” Would you be cool with that? Would you be gung ho about these randoms who know nothing about your life arbitrarily deciding your fate? I mean, life is not a reality show. This is just messed up and wrong and if you can’t understand why…gods help us all. America is well and truly doomed.

      • http://twitter.com/southpaw491 LT

        I always wonder how people can be so utterly lacking in empathy to understand why this is wrong. Just imagine, for a second, that you got married to the partner (human, non-related and consenting) you loved and some random men came up to you saying “well, we don’t think your marriage is good for our vision of society. So we’re going to let a bunch of people you don’t know vote on your happiness. We’re just trying to define marriage, not take away any of your rights (ps. you won’t be able to get married anymore after the vote).” Would you be cool with that? Would you be gung ho about these randoms who know nothing about your life arbitrarily deciding your fate? I mean, life is not a reality show. This is just messed up and wrong and if you can’t understand why…gods help us all. America is well and truly doomed.

      • Anonymous

        When have we ever had the legislature offer up a vote on human rights, especially after the supreme court has ruled that limiting those rights is unconstitutional? This is manipulative grandstanding with a potentially disastrous outcome.

        A simple majority should never be allowed to vote oppression of a minority into the Constitution. How can you not see that?

  • Anonymous

    If marriage is a function for the church, then what church office do I go to in order to get a divorce? Why doesn’t the priest say “…and by the powers vested in me by GOD, I now pronounce you husband and ______.” Why? Because marriage is a function of the state. It is just a contract granting communal rights. Now, if you want to tie a bunch of religious stuff to that, be my guest, but you don’t need a church to be granted participation in that contract. Clearly religous overreach… I have an idea! If they want to preserve the institution of marriage, why don’t they pass a law banning divorce! Let’s see how that flies!

  • Anonymous

    ‘In Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Washington, D.C., marriages for same-sex couples are legal and currently performed.’ So please before all of the Iowa hate… think, “Hey, is my state any better? Many people here support gay rights! I mean we got the bill passed in the first place… we might still keep it or we will get it back.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, there was no bill passed to legalize gay marriage. There was a law passed in 1998 that defined marriage in such a way as to make it illegal for same sex couples. The SC struck that down as a breach of the constitutional right to equal protection under the law. They didn’t legalize gay marriage, they ruled efforts to make it illegal unconstitutional. Sounds like the same thing, I know, but a lot of the reason so many people were incited to vote against judge retention was the idea that the judiciary had made a law (which they hadn’t), thus stealing power from the legislature.

      Entertainingly, gay marriage was apparently perfectly legal the whole time; denying licensure was illegal. But it took a couple applying for a license and getting denied to make it a court case and get that determination in writing.

  • http://www.MACDONALDBANK.com MACDONALDBANK

    Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don’t shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.
    The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions’ absolute evil. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $20 billion ripoff. Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists – who practice their bogus hocus pocus – and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society.
    Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God.
    Do you want to be lambs at the slaughter or be wise and reject religious cultist manipulation? Mean & nasty; run by evil and bogus religious cults from Rome or wherever! Is this the world you want? The pope talks about ending prejudice and hate; what a hypocrite! Religion is a crutch for the insecure.
    Appreciate every day and if there is no tomorrow; then know that you were fortunate to have lived on this earth!
    A great story pertains to a boy at a catholic school in Oshawa, Ontario who wanted to take his boyfriend to his school prom. The evil catholic school forbid this. A father of one of the boys is an employee with General Motors Canada and the courageous union leader Buzz Hargrove stood up for the boys’ rights. The boy took his case through the courts and because the evil catholic school was benefiting from government funding which demands equal rights void of discrimination; the judge ordered the school to allow the two young boys to attend together. Their limo arrived at their prom with adoring onlookers.
    To think of Matthew Shepard choking on his own blood after being savagely beaten; virtually sanctioned by the church is evil beyond comprehension; yet is the same as boys being bullied into suicide; most likely being supported by the bullies parents’ religious cults. Bigotry and hatemongering against gays should be banned.
    Abused gay people should definitely talk to or write to their parents; friends; teachers & school principal … about the issue. Your story may save another person!

    A special compliment to the Parents … Mothers , Fathers and other family members who have stood up for their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews who may be facing identity issues as they enter their teens … possibly being bullied; when in fact being gay or bi is part of nature.

    A special compliment to the discharged soldiers … you are the finest soldiers indeed … in a battle and a war much greater than you will ever know! A gay pilot may have saved the lives of nine US soldiers recently killed.

    My father fought at the front on D-Day in Normandy … through the Battle of the Scheldt to Germany and grandfather was a Sgt. Major at Vimy. My Dad who was a catholic — is alive today at 87 and doesn’t believe in santa claus — an easter bunny or any of that bogus cross related filth.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BF4TD457BBZP7YFOQ4EFA6Y3YA Joe

    I ask the people of Iowa, what harm has come to your state? Same sex marriage has been legal for almost two years, and honestly, what harm has come to Iowa? Are divorces on the increase? Is procreation on the decline? Honest, what drastic things have come to your state that would cause you to do such a thing, to strip a minority of their rights? Is there something there you can see that the rest of cannot?

    • Anonymous

      As a resident of Iowa, and a firm supporter of marriage equality, I think it is important to note that this result is not necessarily representative of the feelings of all Iowans. As the article made clear, this vote is the result of a Republican-controlled House, and has yet to be put before the Democratic-controlled Senate. There are still several steps that must be taken before this can be placed on a ballot for the population at large to vote on.

      While this turn in events is certainly regrettable and an obvious step backwards, I don’t believe it is quite fair to vilify Iowans in this manner, especially when much of the nation hasn’t accomplished enough in marriage equality to even have room to take a step backward. I appreciate and share the frustration of this news, but making sweeping generalizations about a group of people is what started this mess in the first place, so try not to fall into the same trap.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Henry-Juhala/1360425508 Henry Juhala

        It is not fair to villify all of Iowa but that is what is happening. Thanks to all those who seek to villify gays and gay marriage.

        Importantly many of those who are doing the villifying are groups with “family in their names or other groups outside the state like National Organization for Marriage or the Mormon and Catholic Churches. They have little interest in the people of Iowa. They are only interested in furthering ther goals of animus against gays and gay marriage.

        Yet the leadership of the state buy into their fear mongering untruths and listen to their bearing of false witness with little respect for the harm and damage it will do to citizens of the state. The leadership are caught up in the notion that if they line themselves up to this ideology of bullying gays, it will be rewarded at the ballot box in the future or with political appointments.

        That is the selfish interest they have at heart. As long as they keep getting reinforced for that kind of bullying, keep getting financial rewards from supporters and keep getting put back into office, the message from the state to others on the outside will be the message that the hate mongers craft and own through their bought legislators. The message will not be one that is representative of the heart and soul of Iowa.

  • Anonymous

    You know, if it is really about “responsible procreation”, then were is the legislation to ban sterile people from getting married?

    • Anonymous

      Great point. Of course, the truth is that these right-wing clowns are nothing but lying hypocrites.

  • Anonymous

    “Willems eventually got state Rep. Erik Helland (R-Johnston) to discuss whether the Equal Protection Clause of the Iowa Constitution applies to everyone except for gay couples, with Hellend concluding that there is a fundamental disagreement on the issue.”

    Huh? You either believe in equal protection or you don’t! You either follow the constitution or you don’t! It’s very simple.

    As for the polygamy/incest argument there is no logic way to use it.

    Gay marriage simply allows everyone to have the same rights to marry the person of their choosing, which not all Iowans had prior to the Iowa Supreme Court ruling striking down the “one man/one woman” language. Now all are being treated equally. These people seem to always forget the Equal Protection Clause was used in this case.

    Polygamy/Incest is illegal for all, so all are being treated equal. How can someone argue that their rights to practice such are being infringed under the Equal Protection Clause? Answer” they can’t! Therefore, Anderson’s statement is ridiculous.

  • Citizen Kane

    Don’t we have some more important state business? A few of the religious homophobes in the plutocracy have paid their plutocrats to keep this on the forefront of the conversation to keep from real regulatory reform from being brought to the floor. If we can tie up the government and the courts over irrelevant individual choice issues, we keep the status quo and us all being nickeld and dimed to death. Remember when you had a house payment, heating bill, electric bill, and phone bill? Your paycheck was social security FICA and State Tax? Now you have dozens of bills for everything, all of them with fees to buy off the government plutocrats. Just look at your bills and your paychecks to see what they are squeezing from us in all of these subtle ways.

  • http://qcblue.blogspot.com/ UIGrad2010

    They’ve already lost. Republicans: Go shove it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wade-MacMorrighan/738152218 Wade MacMorrighan

    There’s “a fundamental disagreement” about whether the IA. Equal Protection Claus covers all Iowans, save for Gay couples? Are you kidding me?! WHy isn’t the local media admitting to this, instead of merely couching it as a simple “vote” to “define marriage”?

  • Anonymous

    Rich Anderson is obviously a total liar.

    If he really believes marriage is only about procreation then we should also ban marriage between people who can’t have children, between the elderly, and we should retroactively annul any childless marriages.

    These right-wing losers need to be given the boot.

  • Anonymous

    Good for you Iowa! How dare anybody believe for one second that their government should not interfere in their personal lives. How dare a single American think that their life should not be controlled by right wing extremists and religious conservatives! Iowa you are leading the way for insuring that this country remains a closed-minded, backwater, religious state! Just like our good friends the Taliban in the Middle East! Way to go Iowa!

    • Anonymous

      It’s not all of us, or even most of us. Unfortunately, failing to stand up for the rights of others means losing those rights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cthovson Carrie Thovson

    When I was 12 I asked my Dad what a fascist was. He said, “An asshole.” ‘Nuff said.

  • Anonymous

    We do a great many things which are not rooted in history, such as providing innoculations for children. If a slender majority decided this was in some way antagonistic to them, regardless of whether it affected them, would you want that option taken away, even if some people clearly benefitted from having it?

    Marriage is being touted as a stabilizing basis for families and society, and yet that very claim is used as an argument to deprive gays of that right. The argument is that, because some people view homosexuality as taboo, homosexual love would somehow debase marriage. But should the notions, biases, misconceptions of others be allowed to govern the behaviors of those involved, even when the ‘offended’ party is injured only in their own perception? Isn’t that the same basis as was used to defend miscegenation laws, something Iowa dumped after scarcely more than a decade in the 1800′s?

    As for biological roots, homosexual orientation had been substantiated as a biological predisposition; not predominant, but consistently evident, in multiple species, with some distinct characteristics. Marriage, on the other hand, is not a biological function; it’s a legal contract that can be sanctioned by religion. Its history has included quite a variety of groupings, including polgamy. Picking a very narrow definition that makes the marriage illegal if both parties are the same gender deprives those people of all rights associated with marriage, creating inequal status based only on orientation.

    Of all the factors which make a successful marriage, surely heterosexual intercourse isn’t number one. And yet we see no proposal to define marriage as between two people who weren’t drunk and in Las Vegas, or who don’t beat each other, shoot up drugs in front of the kids, have a brood of kids they can’t support, marry, divorce, marry again, divorce again, etc. No constraints are being put on heterosexual marriage at all…. And yet loving, healthy, stable gay couples are being told their relationship is subpar only because they fellt attracted to the wrong gender.

    As to how this creates inequality….how can you possibly not see that allowing heterosexual couples from legalizing their commitment, but banning the same thing for homosexual couples, is unequal treatment? How is it remotely equal?

  • Anonymous

    We do a great many things which are not rooted in history, such as providing innoculations for children. If a slender majority decided this was in some way antagonistic to them, regardless of whether it affected them, would you want that option taken away, even if some people clearly benefitted from having it?

    Marriage is being touted as a stabilizing basis for families and society, and yet that very claim is used as an argument to deprive gays of that right. The argument is that, because some people view homosexuality as taboo, homosexual love would somehow debase marriage. But should the notions, biases, misconceptions of others be allowed to govern the behaviors of those involved, even when the ‘offended’ party is injured only in their own perception? Isn’t that the same basis as was used to defend miscegenation laws, something Iowa dumped after scarcely more than a decade in the 1800′s?

    As for biological roots, homosexual orientation had been substantiated as a biological predisposition; not predominant, but consistently evident, in multiple species, with some distinct characteristics. Marriage, on the other hand, is not a biological function; it’s a legal contract that can be sanctioned by religion. Its history has included quite a variety of groupings, including polgamy. Picking a very narrow definition that makes the marriage illegal if both parties are the same gender deprives those people of all rights associated with marriage, creating inequal status based only on orientation.

    Of all the factors which make a successful marriage, surely heterosexual intercourse isn’t number one. And yet we see no proposal to define marriage as between two people who weren’t drunk and in Las Vegas, or who don’t beat each other, shoot up drugs in front of the kids, have a brood of kids they can’t support, marry, divorce, marry again, divorce again, etc. No constraints are being put on heterosexual marriage at all…. And yet loving, healthy, stable gay couples are being told their relationship is subpar only because they fellt attracted to the wrong gender.

    As to how this creates inequality….how can you possibly not see that allowing heterosexual couples from legalizing their commitment, but banning the same thing for homosexual couples, is unequal treatment? How is it remotely equal?

    • Anonymous

      Liberality,

      Thank you for your thoughtful response. I appreciate the even-handedness of your response. I respectfully disagree with a few of your thoughts.

      First, you have misunderstood the direction of my questions. I realize that we do many things that are not rooted in history, such as your example of inoculations. However, we share a mutual understanding of the word ‘innoculation.’ When you say the word ‘inoculation,’ most of us think of the process by which we are given a small dose of a virus so that our body can develop the ability to fight off a more lethal dose of the same virus. The definition of the word ‘inoculation’ is rooted both in history (since 1714) and biology. Eating “an apple a day” may keep the doctor away (proverbially speaking), but eating an apple is not, by definition, inoculation.
      My argument was not that marriage has always existed or that marriage is always well represented by those who choose to engage in this contract. I am not defining ‘successful marriage,’ just ‘marriage.’ My argument was simply that wherever in history that the word ‘marriage’ is used, it was always rooted in biology, to refer to (at least) a man and a woman in contract together. My argument was simply that removing this biological element from the definition of marriage makes the definition of the word arbitrary. My question was simply ‘if we remove the biological distinction between men and women from the definition of marriage,’ what logical basis do we have to limiting it to ‘only two people,’ or ‘only people not related to one another?’

      I hesitate to enter into a discussion of the research regarding the biological components of a homosexual orientation, for I have not read much more than the headlines on the issue, and frankly, the genetic issue doesn’t much influence my thoughts on the issue. I do remember that evolutionary E.O. Wilson stated publicly that he doubted that there was a significant genetic component to a homosexual orientation. But genetics is not a significant part of my approach to the issue. We all have genetic predispositions for many characteristics, some helpful and others not. In many cases, we actively fight our biological, genetic predisposition. I, for example, have always fought my body’s ability to pack on weight. Scientists have agreed that there is some genetic component to how quickly a given body type processes and stores food. So do I give into biology and eat myself into oblivion and an early death, or do I fight my biological predisposition through diet and exercise? So, in my thoughts, the definition of marriage would not change, even if scientists tomorrow conclusively discovered the so-called “gay gene.” I realize that these thoughts aren’t necessarily popular, but given the respectful tone of your earlier response, I trust that we can respectfully disagree on this point.

      I have, for the most part, limited my argument to the level of word definition because it seemed to me the least emotionally charged way to enter into a discussion on the issue. If the state would produce a legal definition for, say, official ‘couplehood,’ and grant to that definition rights similar to marriage, the state is free to do that. The crux of this aspect of the argument is that the biological distinction between women and men is fundamental to the definition of the word ‘marriage.’

      • Anonymous

        Actually, ‘marriage’ gets a lot of use in the context of joining two separate things into a single, hopefully stronger, whole. But regardless…

        The legal status of ‘married’ is associated with certain legal privileges. Defining this status in such a way as to allow one couple to enjoy those privileges, while another is denied, when the only difference between the two is sexual orientation, is discriminatory and unequal treatment under the law. It doesn’t much matter what the history of the term was; that history, whether for property or propagation, is essentially obsolete.

        If we wish to limit the number of involved parties to two, that’s a different matter; I think you’d find a lot of gays/ lesbians agree that polygamy is just a big legal mess that no one’s quite ready to face yet. There are laws against polygamy that do not violate equal rights; you can’t have multiple legally recognized spouses, regardless of orientation. Of course, people still enter into polygamous relationships, and some religions even recognize them…so the day may come when those laws get questioned. It’ll be interesting….

        I find it interesting that you compare homosexual orientation with a drive to overeat. While overeaters have in some cases been shown to be using food to replicate the physiological effects of love, the analogy breaks down when one considers that obesity is incredibly unhealthy. Whereas being gay only causes heart attacks during the coming out phase. So it makes considerable sense to limit consumption of food despite the biological urges, but why limit sexual preference? What’s the benefit to your physical or mental health of resisting love and happiness?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VSQVRO63Z4URM2MSLWGHAX6QVE chris pitz

    People need to mind their own business!!! If it is not directly affecting you shut your mouth and move on! We still allow abortion, we allow people to get divorced, maybe we should take those rights away too…….Hipicrits make rules for others that don’t readily affect them and if it did they would not be passed!!!! I think those that are so concerned about what gay people do are probably gay and in denial! NOBODY is asking you to understand it or be ok with it, they are asking for the same rights we all have, the right to love, the right to marry their bestfriend.

  • Anonymous

    I have Two families–Collies and Poodles— My Male Collie does not have sex with my Male Poodle—LOOKS LIKE MY DOGS ARE WAY MORE INTELLIGENT
    THEN SOME HUMANS- I speak my case

    • Anonymous

      So your saying your no more intellignet than your dog.

    • http://mopedronin.tumblr.com Made in DNA

      Actually bigman14, I’d wager your male dogs probably DO have sex together. Just when you aren’t watching. It’s very natural, and you were a fool not to check facts before posting > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_homosexuality

      • Anonymous

        No I just have intelligent Dogs and they know the difference between sexs looks like you and your dogs come from the same breed–STUPID

        • Anonymous

          I’ll bet your dogs have better grammar, spelling, and punctuation than you. If you want to call other people stupid… well, remove the board from your own eye before pointing out the mote in your neighbor’s eye.

        • http://mopedronin.tumblr.com Made in DNA

          I feel pity for you bigman14. I honestly do. But that is the most you will ever get out of me.

    • Anonymous

      If your collie’s not having sex with your poodle, it may be because he can’t reach. Give them a stepladder and see what happens.

      Also, you have a POODLE? Seriously? I don’t even know where to begin with the mocking.

      And why, oh why, is it that every other anti-gay marriage poster is blatantly obsessed with dog sexuality and marrying their dogs? I mean, sure, it’s a poodle, but it probably still has standards. Did we run out of sheep out thar in th sticks?

    • Anonymous

      u must be an idiot!! we r talking about humans and their rights! we really dont care if ur dogs do it or not… which u know they do unless u got them fixed.. ur dogs r not racist..hell theyll hump humans legs!!

  • Anonymous

    Wow. Iowans hold your head in shame. You are better people than to be wasting time with this mindless, wasteful legislation. Regardless of your feelings toward homosexuality, it comes down to equal rights–equal rights! That is a non-issue. You should be focusing on your economy, because, make no mistake, it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Just wait to see what this summer brings to the prices of gas and food.

  • Anonymous

    CHUCK HURLEY has been busted with TWO ESCORTS. We have the encounters on video and will be releasing it soon, as soon as we talk with counsel. These are illegal acts that show him clearly paying for the promise of sex with two young women who implied they were underage. Stay tuned…

  • Anonymous

    Awful.

    Does anyone remember the Civil Rights movement?! How is this any different that interracial marriage, Segregation, Women’s Suffrage, and other instances of discrimination in this country?

    Ridiculous. It is time that the rational people in this country start uniting and pushing back (civilly) against the Religious Right (Wrong).

  • Anonymous

    SHAME on those who would take away someone else’s marriage.
    Go create some jobs instead of creating hate for things you don’t understand.

  • Republican

    As much as I hate for the U.S. Supreme Court to get involved in another hot political debate, I think this is one of those areas where it’s going to have to step in sooner rather than later. If the 14th Amendment had never been ratified, then a legitimate argument could be made that states are free to discriminate as they please, but that is not the case. A broadly-worded equal protection clause exists and states that discriminate are violating it. We do not live in a “majority will” country and thank God for that.

  • Anonymous

    It is not fair to villify all of Iowa but that is what is happening. Thanks to all those who seek to villify gays and gay marriage.

    Importantly many of those who are doing the villifying are groups with “family” in their names or other groups outside the state like National Organization for Marriage or the Mormon and Catholic Churches. They have little interest in the people of Iowa. They are only interested in furthering ther goals of animus against gays and gay marriage.

    Yet the leadership of the state buy into their fear mongering untruths and listen to their bearing of false witness with little respect for the harm and damage it will do to citizens of the state. The leadership are caught up in the notion that if they line themselves up to this ideology of bullying gays, it will be rewarded at the ballot box in the future or with political appointments.

    That is the selfish interest they have at heart. As long as they keep getting reinforced for that kind of bullying, keep getting financial rewards from supporters and keep getting put back into office, the message from the state to others on the outside will be the message that the hate mongers craft and own through their bought legislators. The message will not be one that is representative of the heart and soul of Iowa.

  • Anonymous

    Like I said before, it is not fair to villify all of Iowa but that is what is happening. Thanks to all those who seek to villify gays and gay marriage. I will do all I can to never have to drive through the state to get to my beloved Black Hills of South Dakota. Never will I knowingly spend a dime on anything made in Iowa. No more 10% Ethanol gas, no more corn, etc. No Pella windows for my house. No Nestle Purina petfood (4 plants in Iowa), etc. Nothing that I know was made or shipped from Iowa.

    Importantly many of those who are doing the villifying are groups with “family in their names or other groups outside the state like National Organization for Marriage or the Mormon and Catholic Churches. They have little interest in the people of Iowa. They are only interested in furthering ther goals of animus against gays and gay marriage.

    Yet the leadership of the state buy into their fear mongering untruths and listen to their bearing of false witness with little respect for the harm and damage it will do to citizens of the state. The leadership are caught up in the notion that if they line themselves up to this ideology of bullying gays, it will be rewarded at the ballot box in the future or with political appointments.

    That is the selfish interest they have at heart. As long as they keep getting reinforced for that kind of bullying, keep getting financial rewards from supporters and keep getting put back into office, the message from the state to others on the outside will be the message that the hate mongers craft and own through their bought legislators. The message will not be one that is representative of the heart and soul of Iowa.

  • Anonymous

    “Iowa is a special place. We have been ahead of the nation many times when it comes to civil rights. Here we are again; we are ahead of much of the nation. I am proud of the role we play to lead our nation in civil rights again,” she said.”

    What propaganda!… Iowa has the worst-in-the-nation black unemployment rate…which also proves this whole Iowa SSM law was bought by money, primarily the Gill Foundation, who gave NOTHING to help stop black Iowan employment discrimination!

    • Anonymous

      Our laws protect civil liberties. As for the people…well, we saw in the judicial retention vote that the progressiveness of our judiciary isn’t always shared by the people.

      Employment discrimination is illegal. Does it still happen? Indubitably! But the laws are there to fight it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2PMGHI4AWAWUBBAKEOUFMOGZYU Sandra

    if every one has a problem with “gay mariage” then call it a union a civel ceramony, hell being of the gay comunity i don care if you call it a sock hop, but wear do they get the right to say that its imoral and wrong that its not right, i have had people tell me that it will degreat the moral fiber of out nation, well what about kids killing kids, rapist, murderers, some of out corupted leaders, or that it is a sin agianst god, well so is devorce, it is said only one mariage and that that if you get devorce you arent allowed to marry agian, so guess what all you remairried poeple you dont have rights, we dont hurt you we are not compotion on trying to get your girlfriend or boyfriend, get over grow up and guess what most of us left high school a long time ago

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