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		<title>By: Lorih</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12667</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with many of Palin&#039;s stances including those on choice and sex education. However, I strongly agree with Senator Obama&#039;s statement: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people&#039;s families are off limits, and people&#039;s children are especially off limits. This shouldn&#039;t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin&#039;s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn&#039;t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that&#039;s off limits.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/01/obama_responds/index.html#&quot;&gt;http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with many of Palin&#39;s stances including those on choice and sex education. However, I strongly agree with Senator Obama&#39;s statement: </p>
<p>&#8220;Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people&#39;s families are off limits, and people&#39;s children are especially off limits. This shouldn&#39;t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin&#39;s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president. </p>
<p>&#8220;And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn&#39;t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that&#39;s off limits.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/01/obama_responds/index.html#"></a><a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/.." rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: daddysteve</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12665</link>
		<dc:creator>daddysteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that this website is more &quot;blue&quot; than &quot;red&quot; but I hope your not trying to imply that the democrats are any better than republicans on morality issues. Where&#039;s the &quot;family values&quot; in dumping TRILLIONS of dollars of national debt onto our grandchildren? Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not pushing the republican platform in any way,shape or form. I&#039;m just saying the two parties are indistinguishable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that this website is more &#8220;blue&#8221; than &#8220;red&#8221; but I hope your not trying to imply that the democrats are any better than republicans on morality issues. Where&#39;s the &#8220;family values&#8221; in dumping TRILLIONS of dollars of national debt onto our grandchildren? Don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m not pushing the republican platform in any way,shape or form. I&#39;m just saying the two parties are indistinguishable.</p>
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		<title>By: primus</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12662</link>
		<dc:creator>primus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was Forced to tell the media the truth Peggy,Trouble is she did it to late and now&lt;br&gt;She has to pay for it.Its not to late for her to turn down the job offer since there are other things we dont know about her. I would suggest McCain drop her like a hot potato and pick Lieberman like he wanted.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was Forced to tell the media the truth Peggy,Trouble is she did it to late and now<br />She has to pay for it.Its not to late for her to turn down the job offer since there are other things we dont know about her. I would suggest McCain drop her like a hot potato and pick Lieberman like he wanted.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy2</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12658</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve heard the adage, &quot;You can lead a horse to water but you can&#039;t make him drink?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Eighty percent of teen pregnancies are unplanned.  Considering that abstinence-only education has gotten laughed off by liberals and most schools don&#039;t teach it, can&#039;t it be said that traditional sex ed (&quot;I know you&#039;re going to have sex so here&#039; s condom.&quot;) is also a massive failure?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re glossing over reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve heard the adage, &#8220;You can lead a horse to water but you can&#39;t make him drink?&#8221;</p>
<p>Eighty percent of teen pregnancies are unplanned.  Considering that abstinence-only education has gotten laughed off by liberals and most schools don&#39;t teach it, can&#39;t it be said that traditional sex ed (&#8221;I know you&#39;re going to have sex so here&#39; s condom.&#8221;) is also a massive failure?</p>
<p>You&#39;re glossing over reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Stwriley</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12657</link>
		<dc:creator>Stwriley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually, the pregnancy is very good evidence indeed in Palin&#039;s case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It comes down to several things, all of which fit together:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, Palin is and has been a staunch, public advocate of abstinence-only, so if that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; what she&#039;s teaching at home, then she&#039;s a hypocrite at best.  I&#039;m betting it is (I think she holds such positions genuinely) and that Bristol had a good bit of &quot;wait &#039;til you&#039;re married&quot; at home.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, her school district has a specifically abstinence-only curriculum.  The district&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.matsuk12.us/FileLib/HealthGr9_1-06.pdf&quot;&gt;health standards&lt;/a&gt; (page 5, standard ACS-B1:h) lay out the standard statement of abstinence-only sex-ed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, the idea that this is somehow the media&#039;s fault instead of her parents for not allowing her to have a decent idea of how &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to get pregnant is fairly silly, especially when there&#039;s the usual &quot;shock and horror&quot; at celebrity teen pregnancy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fact is, abstinence-only is a proven failure, we have the statistics and even the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/education/18abstain.html&quot;&gt;NY Times noticed&lt;/a&gt; the problem some time ago.  Yet, because it fits their own conservative social agenda, the far right-wing keeps pushing it.  So basically, they&#039;re prepared to send kids out into the world with no real knowledge of how to protect themselves from disease or pregnancy and can&#039;t even show that their program delays the onset of teen sexual activity, it&#039;s avowed purpose and the reason they claim no other measures are necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not just the normal tribulations of an American family, it&#039;s a perfect example of &quot;hoist on your own petard.&quot;  Palin pushed this radical social idea at home and in her public capacity, and now it&#039;s come back to bite her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually, the pregnancy is very good evidence indeed in Palin&#39;s case.</p>
<p>It comes down to several things, all of which fit together:</p>
<p>First, Palin is and has been a staunch, public advocate of abstinence-only, so if that&#39;s <i>not</i> what she&#39;s teaching at home, then she&#39;s a hypocrite at best.  I&#39;m betting it is (I think she holds such positions genuinely) and that Bristol had a good bit of &#8220;wait &#39;til you&#39;re married&#8221; at home.</p>
<p>Second, her school district has a specifically abstinence-only curriculum.  The district&#39;s <a href="http://www.matsuk12.us/FileLib/HealthGr9_1-06.pdf">health standards</a> (page 5, standard ACS-B1:h) lay out the standard statement of abstinence-only sex-ed.</p>
<p>Third, the idea that this is somehow the media&#39;s fault instead of her parents for not allowing her to have a decent idea of how <i>not</i> to get pregnant is fairly silly, especially when there&#39;s the usual &#8220;shock and horror&#8221; at celebrity teen pregnancy.</p>
<p>Fact is, abstinence-only is a proven failure, we have the statistics and even the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/education/18abstain.html">NY Times noticed</a> the problem some time ago.  Yet, because it fits their own conservative social agenda, the far right-wing keeps pushing it.  So basically, they&#39;re prepared to send kids out into the world with no real knowledge of how to protect themselves from disease or pregnancy and can&#39;t even show that their program delays the onset of teen sexual activity, it&#39;s avowed purpose and the reason they claim no other measures are necessary.</p>
<p>This is not just the normal tribulations of an American family, it&#39;s a perfect example of &#8220;hoist on your own petard.&#8221;  Palin pushed this radical social idea at home and in her public capacity, and now it&#39;s come back to bite her.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy2</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12653</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no clue what arrangements will be made regarding their family.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your pointless speculation is a waste of cyberspace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no clue what arrangements will be made regarding their family.  </p>
<p>Your pointless speculation is a waste of cyberspace.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy2</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12652</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Palin&#039;s minor daughter is fair game because she&#039;s &quot;almost an adult?&quot;  I&#039;d bet a million dollars that Bristol Palin knew full well what kind of fallout was coming when her mother accepted her place on the Repub ticket.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The difference between the Palins and gutless bloggers is that the Palins appreciate the truth and own up to their misgivings.  They don&#039;t hide behind political blogs and fictitious names.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bristol Palin has more balls than you, Primus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Palin&#39;s minor daughter is fair game because she&#39;s &#8220;almost an adult?&#8221;  I&#39;d bet a million dollars that Bristol Palin knew full well what kind of fallout was coming when her mother accepted her place on the Repub ticket.</p>
<p>The difference between the Palins and gutless bloggers is that the Palins appreciate the truth and own up to their misgivings.  They don&#39;t hide behind political blogs and fictitious names.  </p>
<p>Bristol Palin has more balls than you, Primus!</p>
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		<title>By: bish8</title>
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		<dc:creator>bish8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I don&#039;t.  Don&#039;t forget, she also has a special needs baby to worry about but obviously isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don&#39;t.  Don&#39;t forget, she also has a special needs baby to worry about but obviously isn&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: primus</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12650</link>
		<dc:creator>primus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her daughter is almost a adult,her mother preaches against birth control and family planning.&lt;br&gt;They are both fair game. bish8 is right Family Values my butt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her daughter is almost a adult,her mother preaches against birth control and family planning.<br />They are both fair game. bish8 is right Family Values my butt.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy2</title>
		<link>http://iowaindependent.com/4844/palin-family-values/comment-page-1#comment-12649</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think Palin discussed the ramifications of all this at length with her family, including her daughter?  Don&#039;t you think if her daughter would have objected, she would have said to the VP pick? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel sorry for her daughter, too, because of the morons in the press who will jump all over this because they&#039;re too lazy to get out and do real work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why doesn&#039;t somebody at Iowa Independent follow up on story buried in Bret Hayworth&#039;s blog about the two kids who were elected to be youth delegates to the national DNC but didn&#039;t get to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t you think Palin discussed the ramifications of all this at length with her family, including her daughter?  Don&#39;t you think if her daughter would have objected, she would have said to the VP pick? </p>
<p>I feel sorry for her daughter, too, because of the morons in the press who will jump all over this because they&#39;re too lazy to get out and do real work.</p>
<p>Why doesn&#39;t somebody at Iowa Independent follow up on story buried in Bret Hayworth&#39;s blog about the two kids who were elected to be youth delegates to the national DNC but didn&#39;t get to go?</p>
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