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Bogus Obama ‘birth certificate’ posted on Cedar Rapids businesses

By Lynda Waddington | 10.01.10 | 8:00 am

CEDAR RAPIDS — After getting her hair cut at True Salon in the New Bohemia neighborhood, Kay Hale of Ely saw something a bit unusual taped to the outside of the business’s front door: A photo copy of a birth certificate supposedly from Kenya, and supposedly announcing the birth of President Barack Obama.

“It wasn’t there when I came into the salon, which means that someone taped it onto the front door during the 20 or 30 minutes while I was getting my hair cut,” said Hale, who spoke animatedly about the incident.

The bogus birth certificate hanging in a window.

“Then I saw another one taped to the resell shop next door,” she said, adding that the shop wasn’t open and that she pulled the copy off the door before the business owner saw it.

Of course, the birth certificate is fake, as the president was born in Hawaii.

In August 2009, a man named Lucas Smith offered a copy of the alleged birth certificate for sale on the online auction site eBay. It was immediately latched on to by far-right websites, and the following month Orly Taitz, a realtor-turned-dentist-turned-lawyer, attempted to introduce it as evidence in federal court that Obama was foreign born. It was the second such “birth certificate” filed by Taitz as a part of the case, which prompted U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land to dismiss the complaint and threaten sanctions if Taitz filed any “similarly frivolous” motions in the future.

Conspiracy theories regarding Obama’s birth have circulated pretty much since he announced his bid for the presidency. Birthers, or those who falsely believe that Obama is foreign born and therefore not eligible to serve as president, have filed at least three lawsuits before the U.S. Supreme Court. All were dismissed. Cases filed in lower courts have also not prevailed.

The Obama campaign released a 2007 certified copy of his birth certificate from Hawaii, but the document did little to dampen the conspiracies that he was either born in Africa or Indonesia. Even some Republican elected officials have expressed skepticism about Obama’s citizenship or have avoided directly telling supporters that they believe him to be a citizen, which has only bolstered the birther conspiracies — and perhaps led someone to tape photocopies of a debunked document on local businesses.

Tom Moore, director of the African American Museum of Iowa, which is located roughly a block from the salon and resell shop, said a visitor had pulled a taped copy of the “birth certificate” from their doors and gave it to a volunteer in the gift shop.

“I really don’t know what to think about it,” said Moore, who resisted speculating on who might have left the document and why.

“We have some Obama-related things — mostly items related to the caucus and his time in Iowa,” he said. “This is obviously not something we’d have in our collection.”

Sara Prokop, a stylist at True Salon, was with Hale when the photocopy was discovered, and she isn’t convinced that it was just a spontaneous prank.

“It was taped to the door with packaging tape,” she said. “It was obviously something that someone had thought about and planned to some extent.”

Prokop, like Moore at the museum, was unsure why the salon storefront was chosen.

“It was sort of funny in a way because I had just finished up cutting the hair of a client who is a big-time Republican. I tried to call him — just to tease him about it — but didn’t get an answer,” she said and laughed. “I’d be incredibly shocked if he had anything to do with it. We go to the same church. I just can’t imagine him doing something like that.”

The Cedar Rapids Police Department was contacted by The Iowa Independent about the fliers in an attempt to determine if placing unsolicited material on a business storefront violates the law, but a response was not provided prior to publishing.

Local business owners indicated that they are often asked by individuals and groups to place materials in their storefronts but, to their knowledge, this was the first time anyone had ever placed something without being given prior permission.

“I just think it is wrong,” said Hale, a Democrat. “This so-called birth certificate isn’t real, and someone just wants to keep these stupid rumors going.”

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  • bsteadman1

    Barack Hussein Obama II was born August 4, 1961 at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

    There is no way he is a 'Natural Born Citizen' as required for the office of President by the US Constitution. We need to demand Congress fully investigate all matters related to Obama's eligibility and, if justified, remove him from office.

    See the following: WasObamaBornInKenya.com

    • Anonymous

      The idea that he was born in Kenya is simply crazy.

      This is what the National Review said about it: “The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

      Andrew Walden, a conservative columnist and blogger who lives in Hawaii, put it this way:

      “For Obama to have been born in Kenya, Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. would have had to fly from Honolulu to Mombasa, give birth in a substandard third world hospital, fly back and then somehow arrange for a fraudulent birth certificate to be entered by the State of Hawai`i on August 8, 1961 (at the time governed by Republican William Quinn). They would have also somehow planted the phony birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser (at the time edited by Republican Thurston Twigg-Smith) and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Hawai`i’s current Republican Governor Linda Lingle would also have to be complicit in the cover-up as would all of the leftist 1960s University of Hawaii friends of Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr – among them US Rep. Neil Abercrombie.

      In 1961, the roundtrip flight to Kenya would have been a very expensive, pointless, and time consuming epic journey for two starving students. Barack Obama Sr. had only been able to come study at UH Manoa with a free ticket on a donated charter flight with other Kenyan students. ”

      And If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother’s US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.

      If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother’s passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.

    • Antibirther

      Yawn – Same old birther nonsense.

      • bsteadman1

        The NEW website: WasObamaBornInKenya.com allows for FREE DOWNLOADING of a NEW POSTER showing an image of Barack Hussein Obama II adjacent to a reduced-size copy of his 1961 Kenyan Birth Cerrtificate from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.

        The poster clearly states: Born In Kenya?, Illegal President?, DEMAND CONGRESS FULLY INVESTIGATE NOW!

        The goal of Project: Demand Congress Investigate is to have copies of this poster sent to every concerned citizen and placed in every appropriate, frequently viewed location in the USA.

        THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION IS OVER regarding Obama's likely lack of eligibility for POTUS!

        • Antibirther

          THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION IS OVER regarding Obama's likely lack of eligibility for POTUS!

          I agree. the discussion has beed over for a long time. Sane people have long since dropped this as a real issue. Why do you birthers want to keep talking about it?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            “Sane people have long since dropped this as a real issue.”

            Are you so insecure that you need to find comfort in your self-determined psychological status?

            Relevant questions remain unanswered. Just because you don’t find a need to have those questions answered does not discount their relevance or the curiosity of others who are not so easily satisfied. The motive for asking a relevant question should never be permitted to outweigh the justification for asking the question.

            “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.” -Albert Einstein

          • Anonymous

            Relevant questions remain unanswered.

            The questions have been answered. The fact that you refuse to accept the answers is not my problem, nor is it President Obama’s.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            “The questions have been answered.”

            Really? Then I’m sure you can tell us all who filed Obama’s birth report. Or do you not consider the identity of the person upon whose word a claim is made to be relevant to the veracity of that claim?

            I have no problem understanding that any questions have been satisfied to your satisfaction, but to insist that others adopt your threshold is akin to making them adopt your religious beliefs.

          • Anonymous

            Then I’m sure you can tell us all who filed Obama’s birth report.

            And what is the relevence of that information to the President’s elegibility?

            He was born in Honolulu. That is the only question you are entitled the answer to.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            You seem to think that prima facie evidence meets the threshold of proof needed to support the right to title to the office of president. I challenge you to provide any precedent that would support such a claim of sufficiency. I know this; when the right to title to a government office has been challenged in the past (state governors) the court has established that presumptive proof is not sufficient. Now, if presumptive proof (prima facie) is not sufficient when demonstrating proof of title in a court of law for the highest state office, why do you think anything less should be permitted to stand unchallenged in the court of public opinion?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F4XQPQGZWWDMYKQRKHL3SUMI5U Tina

    how did obama obtain a us passport if not a citizen?

    • Antibirther

      The real question is how does ANYONE from Hawaii get a passport, drivers license of get to play little league. The COLB form posted online by the president is the ONLY format that the state uses to issue certified copies of birth certificates. It is the only format that they have used since they digitized the entire database in 2001. If the COLB form that was released by Obama is not enough to obtain a drivers license, is everyone in Hawaii walking these days?

  • TaxedToDeath

    WOW! Lynda Waddington's article is a Wad of crap. Did you do any research on this Lynda or did you just turn on MSNBC? Obama only released an IMAGE of a Certificate of Live Birth.

    If you want to see what a real Hawaiian Birth Certificate that is signed by the delivery doctor looks like look you the Nordyke Twins. They were born only hours after Obama in the same hospital. Obama wrote about finding his certificate in one of his BS books about his past. Where did that certificate go????

    • Antibirther

      “They were born only hours after Obama in the same hospital.”

      So, you admit that the President was born in Hawaii in 1961.

      What's the problem then?

      • Anonymous

        That’s the point. The stories don’t add up. How come the “nobody” twins have a hospital signed BC, but the leader of the USA can’t be bothered to provide proof of where he CLAIMS to have been born? Also, why did he state two different hospital as his birth place? WHY…Why…why…. Trust, but verify.

        • Anonymous

          How come the “nobody” twins have a hospital signed BC,

          Let’s just assume that the mother lost the copies she had made in 1965.

          What would happen if she (or actually her daughters) went to the DOH and asked for new copies today.

          The document that they would recieve would be in the same format that the President has posted on line. Too Bad, So sad.

          • Anonymous

            So what form did Obama speak about in his book. The book was “engineered” well before the 2007 COLB image was posted on the always truthful Daily Kos.

            The records are still available sparky. I think the Pres / usurper has some pull to get the originals released as it is likely there is a copy that teh Hawaii Health Departmenr ssaiys they “Saw”. Ka-ching

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carl-Tapp/100000133516239 Carl Tapp

    EVERYONE HERE MUST WAKE UP AND EXAMINE THE FORGED, PHOTOSHOPPED CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH FROM HAWAI ' I , WHICH WOULD NOT EVEN BE SUFFICIENT TO OBTAIN A JOB OR DRIVER LICENSE.
    THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS ACTUALLY ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE
    IN THE FEDERAL COURT IN CALIFORNIA.. ANY LOGICAL, INTELLIGENT PERSON CAN EASILY COMPARE THE 2 AND SEE THE TRUTH .

    • Antibirther

      Carl Tapp, the Attorney General of Hawaii is a hard core, right wing republican. If you are correct and the certified birth certificate posted by the president on-line is indeed a forgery, then why hasn’t the Hawaiian AG prosecuted the president for that forgery?

    • Antibirther

      THE KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE WAS ACTUALLY ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE

      IN THE FEDERAL COURT IN CALIFORNIA..

      No it wasn’t. Orly tried to have it admitted as evidence but the judge didn’t allow it. Furthermore, the person who gave the document to Orly submitted an affidavit to the judge stating that Orly asked him to perjure himself in court.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

      The Kenyan birth certificate WAS NOT “admitted as evidence”.

      I have read stories claiming that Lucas Smith filed a sworn affidavit too. Both, while maybe not intended to be outright lies, are false statements. Filing something with the court does not make it “admitted as evidence”, and signing a declaration does not make it a sworn affidavit. One only needs to look at the declaration signed by Lucas Smith to see that it does not contain the affirmation of anyone authorized to swear an oath.

    • Antibirther

      If, hypothetically, the certified state document that President Obama posted on-line is indded fake, as you claim, then that would be direct evidence of a crime. It is illegal in Hawaii to alter or forge a birth certificate.

      The Hawaiian Attorney General is a long time, hard core republican. Why hasn’t he prosecuted Obama for this crime? The evidence is right there on the internet!

      Please explain why this has not happened

  • Antibirther

    The birther-ijiots are out in force again, I see.

  • Antibirther

    Carl Trapp, the Attorney General of Hawaii is a hard core, right wing republican. If you are correct and the certified birth certificate posted by the president on-line is indeed a forgery, then why hasn’t the Hawaiian AG prosecuted the president for that forgery?

  • AristotleTheHun

    How do you know it is bogus? How do you know the one posted by the Obama campaign is legitimate? The truth is nobody knows. These things are not settled by posting a scanned document on the Internet.

    The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining scat.

    Does This Document Make Me ELIGIBLE to be POTUS? (or get a passport to go on a Dream Cruise?)

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/08/does-this-document-make-me-eligible-to.html

    • Antibirther

      How do you know the one posted by the Obama campaign is legitimate?

      If, hypothetically, the certified state document that the president posted on-line is indded fake, as you claim, then that would be direct evidence of a crime. It is illegal in Hawaii to alter or forge a birth certificate. The Hawaiian Attorney General is a long time, hard core republican. Why hasn’t he prosecuted Obama for this crime? The evidence is right there on the internet!

      Please explain why this has not happened.

    • Anonymous

      It is over, and it all ended over 2 years ago. I find it hard to understand why so many Americans seem to believe that America is in able to protect itself against birth certificate frauds. This is all about one birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has confirmed its legitimacy, and the authenticity of the birth records.

    • Mary_Adams

      We know it is bogus because 1. Hospitals do not issue birth certificates. 2. Hospital Administrators do not do menial work such as dig up medical records, copy and certify them. Clerks do. 3. The Administrator in Lucas' fake BC wasn't the administrator when Lucas supposedly got the fake BC. 4. LOL! The administrator's name is misspelled. 5. “Width between shoulders” is not a measurement taken at birth and (LOL!!) is not on ANY BC but Lucas' FAKE. 6. Footprints would NEVER be on a document retained by a hospital.

      We know the document whose image was posted by the Obama campaign is legitimate because the high-res photos of it clearly show the stamp and seal, and the registration number is in the same cohort as the Nordyke twins'. We know the one posted by the Obama campaign is the same one that Factcheck photographed because the borders and stamp are in exactly the same places in relation to the security paper design. Also, the Governor of Hawaii, who campaigned for McCain, could have gotten Obama out of the race if it was fake.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

        Mary,

        I have in my possession my birth certificate that was issued by the hospital I was born in. I was born in the 50s, and the certificate I have was obtained directly from the hospital in the 70s. It is also stamped and signed by the Hospital Administrator.

        Just because times have changed, and most (I don't know about all) birth certificates in the U.S. are now obtained via the state department of health, that does not eliminate the possibility of a birth certificate being issued by a hospital in Kenya.

        You're letting you lack of knowledge undermine your position. Stick to what you know to be true. I can tell you that some hospitals did put infant footprints on their birth records.

        As for the width between the shoulders; it was something that was documented in 1950s Kenya. It was relevant because it was associated with uterine rupture.

        • Anonymous

          Complete and absolute bullsh!t.

          Any hospital issued BC is a “vanity” BC that is given to the parents before discharge. There is no such document retained by the hospital. You are simply LYING when you claim you obtained one years after your birth.

          ALL official (not vanity) birth certificates in the US and Kenya are and always have been, issued by government entities. Tell me, why are these people camping out in line instead of just getting a BC from the hospital?

          http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000005002&catid=4&a=1

          Why don’t you stick to what you know instead of making stuff up? NO hospital keeps footprints in the medical record, and MEDICAL records are all they keep.

          You’re LYING again when you claim “width between the shoulders; it was something that was documented in 1950s Kenya”. No, it is NOT “associated with uterine rupture” and NO there is no reason to record it at birth.

          How do I know ? I’m a nurse who works in the field.

        • Anonymous

          It the state that is responsible for issuing birth certificate that are used for proof of citizenship and not the hospital. In some instances the church has gets involved, but I don’t believe that this is the case in America. So, only the state or the federal goverment issues birth certificate. It has always been the state who decides who is and isn’t a citizen by birth. This has been the case for well over 2000 years.

        • smrstrauss

          As WND has shown, Kenyan hospitals and Kenyan birth certificates did not show baby footprints.

          It said: “The document does not look remotely like the 1961-era birth certificates used in Kenya; infant footprints were not displayed on Kenyan birth certificates in the 1961-era.: (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108005)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            Make you should take a better look at what WND has attempted to pass off. Any “sane” individual would immediately see that the WND report is for extra-institutional births.

          • Antibirther

            I detect a bit of disention in the birther ranks.

            Splitters.

          • smrstrauss

            WND said that the “Kenya Birth certificate” had ten defects indicating that it was not likely to have been a Kenyan birth certificate. This referred to the document that Smith claimed to have obtained at a hospital in Mombassa. Did you know that Smith did not even show a scan of his own passport with any stamps on it showing that he had ever been to Kenya?

          • Antibirther

            I love it. Even WND admits that it is a fake, yet the losers still persist.

            There's one birthered every minute. . .

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “The truth is nobody knows.”

      The Wall Street Journal put it well:

      “Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”

      Since the document's facts have been confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, the only reason that one would want to subject it to forensic examination (when NONE of the previous presidents' or presidential candidates' BCs were subjected to this), is the claim that he was born outside of Hawaii. But that claim was made only by birthers, including several that lied about his grandmother having said that he was born in Kenya (when the transcript of the call shows that she said that Obama was born in Hawaii).

  • AristotleTheHun

    I didn't claim anything. I said nobody knows. We don't know if Obama posted anything. It might have been one of those mindless young obots who worked for him and now are going to pay for it for the rest of their lives.

    Uninformed voted Obama – Informed voted McCain – POLL

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Voted for Obama? Ready to apologize yet?

    See Aristotle the Hun's commentary at the end of this article!

    The Brokest Generation

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/11/votedfor-obama-ready-to-apologize-yet.html

    • Antibirther

      I didn't claim anything. I said nobody knows. We don't know if Obama posted anything. It might have been one of those mindless young obots who worked for him and now are going to pay for it for the rest of their lives.

      You are insane. Did you know that?

  • Antibirther

    If, hypothetically, the certified state document that the president posted on-line is indded fake, as you claim, then that would be direct evidence of a crime. It is illegal in Hawaii to alter or forge a birth certificate. The Hawaiian Attorney General is a long time, hard core republican. Why hasn’t he prosecuted Obama for this crime? The evidence is right there on the internet!

    Please explain why this has not happened

  • Peter1287

    Did the writer (LYNDA WADDINGTON) or this news organization attempt to research this “fake,” or are they determining it's fake because it was on ebay? I can find REAL artifacts on ebay! Was research done to definitively determine this is a fake… or is this news org just “spreading rumors” too?????

    Think about it. This is why we are fed up with the media, they do NO RESEARCH!

    • Antibirther

      If, hypothetically, the certified state document that President Obama posted on-line is indded fake, as you claim, then that would be direct evidence of a crime. It is illegal in Hawaii to alter or forge a birth certificate. The Hawaiian Attorney General is a long time, hard core republican. Why hasn’t he prosecuted Obama for this crime? The evidence is right there on the internet!

      Please explain why this has not happened

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

        I can understand the efforts to determine the veracity of the Hawaiian certification. After all, that certification only reflects that Obama's birth was reported in Hawaii. I would be much more comfortable knowing who it was that filed the report and their relationship to Obama.

        The Kenyan birth certificate should have been considered a fake from the beginning. We all know the ability to create such a document by making use of historical records and computer graphics software does exist. We also know that it was presented by a not-so-reliable source.

        For me, the Hawaiian COLB must stand until something credible is introduced. That doesn't mean that I don't find Obama's unwillingness to release the original documents extremely suspicious.

        • Mary_Adams

          He released his BC. Notice what good that did. What point is there to releasing anything else? It will just be claimed as fake also. And where would it end? Birthers are even demanding kindergarten records that likely no longer exist! Insanity.

          And for those who claim that both parents must be US citizens to be “natural born”, there is no documentation that can satisfy them, so why are they demanding any? Insanity.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            Mary,

            You lose all respect when you claim that a relevant question is presented by those whom you consider to be insane.

            You and I both know that the “Certification” (which you call a BC) would have been considered much more reliable had it been released/posted by the issuing authority (the Hawaii DOH) instead of The Daily Kos. Since when do we consider something posted by the side with something to gain to be an undisputed fact. Further, you know the image originally posted on The Daily Kos did not feature an embossed seal. (Something that anyone wanting to demonstrate as authentic would have made sure was easily visible.)

            I have no problem with you having determined that sufficient evidence has been produced to satisfy your own curiosity, but to consider those who are not so easily satisfied to be “insane” is more a statement of your own insecurity than it is of their endeavor to find what remains unanswered.

          • smrstrauss

            Re; “You and I both know that the “Certification” (which you call a BC) would have been considered much more reliable had it been released/posted by the issuing authority (the Hawaii DOH) instead of The Daily Kos. “

            Obama was the first and so far the only US president to have posted his birth certificate. He had it posted on his own Web site, and it was also posted by the Daily KOS and FactCheck and Politifact. Hawaii would not have done it. It never posts birth certificates, and it only sends them out to a limited number of people who are eligible to see them, and it only sends out the Certification of Live Birth, not the original birth certificate. It stopped sending the original birth certificate in 2001.

            The Certification IS the official birth certificate of Hawaii. It is used by thousands of people every year.

            Re; ” “Further, you know the image originally posted on The Daily Kos did not feature an embossed seal.”

            Big deal. They only showed the front. The embossed seal is on the back, where it can be seen in the excellent images of FactCheck (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

            Here is confirmation that it is the official and only birth certificate that Hawaii issues

            (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)

            Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

            http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html

            Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states could not be filed in Hawaii. Hawaii would not file a foreign birth certificate. That was proof of birth in some foreign place, not Hawaii, and there was no reason to file that document in Hawaii. However, as you can see from the first citation, Obama’s birth certificate—the official Certification of Live Birth—says clearly that Obama was born in Hawaii.

            Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

            http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

            Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the DOH to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.

            (Something that anyone wanting to demonstrate as authentic would have made sure was easily visible.)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            “Big deal. They only showed the front. The embossed seal is on the back”

            Now you're just going to make people laugh. The embossed seal is not something that is overlayed onto the document. It results in a deformation on both sides of the document. One side sticks out, and the other is depressed. The light of a scanner is redirected when it encounters either.

          • Antibirther

            The light of a scanner is redirected when it encounters either

            LOL yeah, right.

          • smrstrauss

            Yes, but an embossed seal on one side does not necessarily show in a scan of the other side. Scans are not very good at showing such things. In any case, here is the image of the embossed seal http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html (image three, counting down from the top)

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            Every scan of other Hawaiian COLBs that I have seen posted on the internet show a clearly visible embossed seal. EVERY ONE OF THEM. To claim that “scans are not very good at showing such things” is unsupported.

          • Antibirther

            Care to post some links?

            Make sure they are scans, and not photographs.

          • smrstrauss

            One explanation of the raised seal not showing through is the blacking out of the numbers on the document. The Obama campaign did this because they were under the impression, mistakenly, that if they did not black out the numbers the Hawaii database could be hacked into. So, how do you black out numbers? One way is to make a copy of the document, black out the numbers and then scan it again. Going through this process would result in the seal not being visible on the front.

            But it IS there on the back, as the FactCheck photos show.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            “One explanation of the raised seal not showing through is the blacking out of the numbers on the document.”

            Hogwash! The part that was “blackened out” was done digitally. The precision by which the rectangle was blacked out indicates that it was performed via graphics software. (Hand blackening would leave artifacts.) Further, if you want to claim that it was a copy of a copy, it would detract from the long-held claim that it is a scan of the original.

          • smrstrauss

            Hogwash yourself. If the document were forged, they would easily have forged the raised seal too. Obama showed the physical copy of the document to both FactCheck and Politifact. The image on FactCheck's site shows the raised seal on the back. Factcheck did not say that there were two documents, one for the front and one for the back. And FactCheck certainly did not forge the COLB. It has by no means the capability to forge such a detailed image. Then it sent an e-mail containing the image to the officials in Hawaii, who confirmed that it was a Hawaii COLB. If they had detected anything wrong with the image on the front or the back, they would have turned it over to the atty general for prosecution.

            But most importantly, it is not the image that counts. It is the FACTS on the image, and the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed those facts.

          • Anonymous

            Provide one link, just one, that isn’t associated with Ronald Jay Polland/aka Polarik. Otherwise shut up.

          • Mary_Adams

            Okubo of Hawaii DOH said that the embossing is hand applied and sometimes they are not done with enough force to show on the front.

            BTW, what I call a BC is what the state of Hawaii calls a birth certificate, and guess what? they have revised their form and it is now titled “Certificate of Live Birth” – still is a “short form”. LOL!

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            Mary,

            The joy expressed when presenting the overt obfuscation on the part of the Hawaii DOH is not very becoming.

            Okubo's not enough force claim goes flying out the window when the pictures of what is claimed to be the same document are presented. Doesn't it?

          • Mary_Adams

            Ha ha!

            You flunked again.

            Unless there is light from the side, the seal can't bee seen on the front. Witness photo #3:

            http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

            The shadow blocks the sidelight. Scanners don't provide sidelight either.

          • Antibirther

            The only thing that remains unanswered here today is my question to you.

            Why hasn't the Hawaiian AG prosecuted the President for forging a state certified document?

        • Antibirther

          You did not answer my question.

          Why hasn't the Hawaiian AG prosecuted Obama for forgery of a state certified document?

    • smrstrauss

      WND, however, did research the “Kenyan birth certificate,” and it found that the “Kenyan birth certificate” was forged.

      It said: The document appears to have the following defects:

      1. Kenyan news sources have called into question the use of “Coast Province” or “Coast Provincial” as a correct reference to the official name of the Mombasa general public hospital in 1961, citing Professor Dan Branch of the University of Warwick who noted that the term “Coast Province” was not used in the early 1960s when Kenyan provinces were typically referred to as “regions.”

      2. Until 1964, Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya, not the Republic of Kenya, and Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until Dec. 12, 1963, not a coastal province of Kenya.

      3. Dr. James O.W. Ang'awa, the physician who was named in the document as the attending physician at Obama's birth, was a physician who worked in Kenya during the 1960s; however, he worked at Kenyatta National Hospital in Nairobi. Dr. James O.W. Ang'awa never worked at any hospital in Mombasa.

      4. The dates on the document are formatted in U.S. style, listing in order the month, day and year; this is not the British format which typically follows the order of day, month and year.

      5. The footprint on the document appears nearly perfect in definition; real infant footprints typically show signs of smudging because of foot movement.

      6. The footprint on the document is densely black, revealing few natural lines on the sole of the foot; footprints used for document identification are typically inked much lighter to allow for natural lines to be clearly apparent.

      7. Footprints taken for document identification are typically taken for both feet, just as fingerprints taken for identification are typically taken for both hands.

      8. The document does not look remotely like the 1961-era birth certificates used in Kenya; infant footprints were not displayed on Kenyan birth certificates in the 1961-era.

      WND sources in Kenya described the Smith document as a clever forgery in that Helton Muganga is currently an administrator at Coast Provincial General Hospital. “

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

        smrstrauss,

        If I demonstrate to you that each and every one of the claims presented by WND are nothing but lies, what will your position be then? I'm sure you find one of the points made by WND to be stronger than some others, so I'll let you pick the one you consider to be proof of forgery, and I'll debunk it. Are you up to that challenge? (Pay attention readers, I'm about to give smrstrauss a good old fashioned schooling.)

        • smrstrauss

          Why would WND, a birther site that hates Obama, lie about this?

          For the “Kenyan birth certificate' to be correct, Obama must have been born in Kenya. So, first, answer how he could have been born in Kenya and got to the USA without a US travel document such as a US visa on a foreign passport or being entered on his mother's passport while they were both in Kenya.

          Without such a document he could not have been entered into the USA. Such a document would be easy to find. There weren't all that many applications for visas for infants in Kenya in 1961 or applications to change mothers' passports to include infants.

          So, if Obama were born in Kenya, why hasn't such a document been found? Were the Republicans, who were in charge of the State Department until January 20 2009 part of the plot?

          Then, if you answer that, we can proceed to the “Kenyan BC,” and we might as well start with number one on the list: “Professor Dan Branch of the University of Warwick who noted that the term “Coast Province” was not used in the early 1960s when Kenyan provinces were typically referred to as “regions.”

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            smrstrauss,

            My apologies, but I find it difficult to carry out an argument with an opponent who keeps inserting his own premises into my argument and reducing them to absurdity.

            Let me make something perfectly clear. I don't play the motive game. Why? I don't profess to know the motives of others. Many of your ilk like to (as you do) rely on why something has not been found, or has not been questioned before as the precedent for ignoring a now relevant question. Internet blogs came into full effect during the GW Bush administration, as such any questions raised by the minority would have not been addressed by the mainstream. That doesn't mean the questions were never before raised, it just means we don't have sources that acknowledge they were raised.

            Now: Since you decided to turn to the alleged statements of the illustrious but illusive Dan Branch to support a claim that the term “Coast Province” was not used, I will direct you to an easily performed Google Book search. Just put in the terms “Coast Province” and Kenya and you will receive a plethora of document to demonstrate that Dan Branch is either a liar, or an idiot. You can used the advanced search function to narrow down publication dates. You will not only find that “Coast Province General Hospital” in Mombasa, Kenya did exist as far back as 1954, but you will find that funding was set aside for repairs to that hospital in 1958.

            If this site permits hyperlinks, the link provided below will take you to all the books on file that were published between 1950 thru 1960.

            http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1,cdr:1,cd_min:Jan%201_2%201950,cd_max:Dec%2031_2%201960&tbo=p&q=Kenya+%22Coast+Province%22&num=10

          • Antibirther

            What happened to that “good old fashioned schooling?” Now it seems you are bugging out.

          • smrstrauss

            Branch appears to have been wrong on the use of Coast Province. However, since Mombassa was not part of Kenya in 1961, it could not have been Coast Province Hospital Kenya.

            But you should have replied to my first question first. Unless Obama was born in Kenya, the Smith BC must have been forged. If there is no evidence of him receiving a US travel document in Kenya in 1961, how did he get to the USA?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            I gave you the opportunity to establish reason to believe the false claims made by WND. You presented one of their points. I easily debunked it, as you concede. (If you would care to present another, I will be glad to debunk it too.)

            Now, don't you find it strange that you are relying on a false story put out by WND over a year ago as support? Do you really think I'm going to tell you that WND lied without being able to support it?

            Now you introduce a claim that Mombasa was not part of Kenya in 1961. If you would have taken the time to look at the links provided in my last response, you would have seen that not only was Mombasa part of Kenya, the Kenyan Protectorate set aside funds for repairing the hospital in 1958. In fact, historical records demonstrate that Mombasa had been the capitol of the Kenyan Protectorate earlier that century.

            If you want to address the WND lies one by one, I will accept that challenge.

          • smrstrauss

            You still do not show how Obama could have gotten from Kenya (where he was supposed to have been born) to the USA without a birth document.

            Smith is a convicted former felon, one of whose crimes was felony. He never even showed that he had gone to Kenya, which would have been easy if he did by simply scanning the page on his passport.

            It seems to me that WND may have made these errors deliberately, so that they could be disproven. But that still does not show that Obama was born in Kenya. To believe that he was born in Kenya requires you to believe that his mother went to Kenya (which is unlikely because women rarely traveled during pregnancy and there was Yellow fever in Kenya at the time) and to have paid an ENORMOUS amount for the trip in 2010 terms (no direct flights, little competition among airlines) to go to Kenya to give birth in a third-world hospital. And, do all this and come back and somehow register the child in Hawaii so that the officials in Hawaii actually believed that he was born in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A2VXS3L2HWMDQCI2P43YXT76FU Top Cop

            “You still do not show how Obama could have gotten from Kenya (where he was supposed to have been born) to the USA without a birth document.”

            I have never stated that he travelled without a birth document. The earliest post-birth travel that has been obtained from a reliable source would put him in Seattle in the Spring of 1962. A Kenyan birth certificate, a Hawaiian birth certificate, or both, would have been sufficient. Travel from Kenya to Canada, and entry into the U.S. without the need to show papers would have been permitted in 1961/62.

            “Smith is a convicted former felon, one of whose crimes was felony. He never even showed that he had gone to Kenya, which would have been easy if he did by simply scanning the page on his passport.”

            You won't get any argument from me. Taking Smith at his word alone is foolish.

            “It seems to me that WND may have made these errors deliberately, so that they could be disproven.”

            Yet you and many others have relied on them for over a year. I'm not faulting you for that. The intent to deceive can come from many sources.

            “But that still does not show that Obama was born in Kenya. To believe that he was born in Kenya requires you to believe that his mother went to Kenya (which is unlikely because women rarely traveled during pregnancy and there was Yellow fever in Kenya at the time)”

            While I can too can come up with many rational reasons not to travel, I also must admit that a 17 year old girl, who got pregnant by a 25 year old foreign student is not the person I'm going to use to eliminate a possibility just because it may have not been a good idea. I understand impetuous youth, and the it won't happen to me attitude. While the argument may apply to those making sound judgments, I cannot apply it to Stanley Ann.

            “and to have paid an ENORMOUS amount for the trip in 2010 terms (no direct flights, little competition among airlines)”

            I have no knowledge of the Dunham's financial capabilities in 1961. For all I know, her parents could have supported and funded such an adventure.

            “And, do all this and come back and somehow register the child in Hawaii so that the officials in Hawaii actually believed that he was born in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital.”

            We have nothing supporting a return to Hawaii after Obama was born. And nothing has been presented that would indicate a document indicating Obama's birth in Kapiolani exists. (The off the cuff remark made by the Governor is not supported by any documentation or endorsed by the DOH.)

          • ellid

            Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar in 1961. Sorry.

          • ellid

            I see no reason to take a birther seriously.

        • ellid

          Sorry, but the only truths that WND has posted in this entire mess IS its initial analysis of the forged birth certificate. Since then they've done nothing but lie about the President, his background, and his family, primarily so the traitor Joseph Farah can buy enough wax for his pornstache.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Brinich/1376043910 Stephen Brinich

        When even WingNutDaily doesn't buy it, you know your scam-fu is weak.

    • ellid

      It was denounced as a forgery by the government of Kenya within hours of its appearance. FAIL.

  • AristotleTheHun

    AKA Obama – $100,000 Offered For Proof Of Eligibility

    Ok, Obots, prove your propaganda is true and get rich.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/aka-obama-100000-offered-for-proof-of.html

    How to Stop Obot Spammers in their Tracks!

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-to-stop-obot-spammers-in-their.html

    Post these articles when you detect one of AKA Obama’s agents.

    Exposing Obama’s PSYOPS Agents and Tactics

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    Cass Sunstein – The Red General – and Saul Alinsky his Ideological Father

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/01/cass-sunstein-red-general-and-saul.html

    Also see: Obots, meet the beast which sired you!

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/01/obots-meet-beast-which-sired-you.html

    Outing Obama’s Internet Brownshirts

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, LET’S SHINE A LIGHT ON OBAMA POLITICAL OPERATIVES!

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/

    No matter what the say in response make it clear that you know they haven’t read the articles or they would know that their objection has been exposed and debunked already.

    Only do that twice. Then make it clear that you are not on the forum to debate them but to expose their sleezy tactics.

    If they respond again post this comment; ”Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference”.

    Then post: “Click the link below for the punch line and my final comment:”

    http://www.cafepress.com/+quotannoy_a_liberal_use_facts_amp_logicquot,278928847

    • smrstrauss

      Re $100,000 offer. No one believes that birthers would pay.

    • ellid

      I don't think there's a birther alive who HAS $100,000, unless Orly Taitz' millionaire husband sells the Tesla.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2P7YR47A262BPYRTR4TSIP2HM t-doggy

    People who doubt Obamas US birth are just silly.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t matter WHERE he was born, his father was never a citizen, so he can not be a Natural Born Citizen!
      END OF STORY!

      • Anonymous

        The citizenship of one or even TWO parents has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status.

        “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition.

        Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

        “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

        Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

        “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

  • AristotleTheHun

    It isn't just the birth certificate. His whole history is a mystery.

    If you are not suspicious of a man who hides his history I have a bridge in the desert I want to sell you.

    If you are unwilling to call for an investigation of a man who attempts to sell you a bridge in the desert I have some beach front property in Florida at the intersection of I75 and Florida # 29 that I want you to buy.

    If you place a down payment on a contract for the bridge in the desert and the beach front property in the swamp I would conclude that you voted for Obama

    Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?

    Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?

    The only conspiracy is the media and the obots who suppress the revelation of AKA Obama's history.

    Obama “I have nothing to hide but I’m hiding it.”

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

    • ellid

      Wrong from beginning to end, as you well know.

      • Anonymous

        Is this AXELROD?

  • AristotleTheHun

    Here is a link for the person who called me insane.

    Why I think some liberals, fewer conservatives and most Muslims are pathological.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-i-think-some-liberals-fewer.html

    • ellid

      Hey, Sammy-boy, WE'RE not the ones believing in a tissue of lies.

      • Anonymous

        Ummm, YES, YOU ARE!

        Obama Zombie!

        You will all soon look like total idiots when you see that Obama has FOOLED YOU BIGTIME!

        • Anonymous

          Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed.

          Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

          I am told that the attorney general of Hawaii is a conservative Republican. If he thought that there was anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, he could have subpoenaed the original and taken action. But he didn’t.

        • Anonymous

          Obama has shown the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the facts on it were repeatedly confirmed.

          Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

          I am told that the attorney general of Hawaii is a conservative Republican. If he thought that there was anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, he could have subpoenaed the original and taken action. But he didn’t.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UELS6MKR7HBT5HIIN6KZJ7OPLI GinaO

    Obama has spent nearly 2 million dollars to keep his birth certificate, school records, college records, passport and other documents hidden from public view. What does he have to hide? And why did he use a social security number that belonged to a deceased man in Connecticut who was born in late 1800's? He's hiding something. We know very little about this man. Spend a few minutes researching these things before you make a decision on his legitimacy. You'll be shocked!!!!!

    • twinxx

      I 'liked' your comment by mistake.

      The truth is your rermarks are falsehoods from start to finish, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

    • ellid

      Wrong. The President has spent a couple of grand on filing fees. Orly Taitz and her merry band of idiots have been liable for everything else because they LOST.

      • Anonymous

        Couple grand NOT. And besides, that’s OUR money he’s spending to HIDE this LIES!

        • Anonymous

          There was never a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate or just for documents, and in our system you have to respond to all lawsuits against you—no matter how stupid. Virtually all the money, by the way, came from campaign contributions.

        • Anonymous

          There was never a lawsuit against Obama just for his birth certificate or just for documents, and in our system you have to respond to all lawsuits against you—no matter how stupid. Virtually all the money, by the way, came from campaign contributions.

  • twinxx

    I would take a bet it's Lucas Smith himself posting his forgery up. He was boasting he would do so on his youtube channel a few weeks ago.

  • http://twitter.com/Infantry1973 Bob Miller

    There has NEVER been a ORIGINAL CERTIFIED copy of any Birth Certificate.

    What is posted is a CERTIFICATE of live birth. Note that the posted copy has no doctor, no hospital, no information that was provided in Birth Certificates in 1964.

    Also not that ALL Academic records are sealed as well. (Birth Certificates are required to enter any school and college… WHEN he was in school .

    So before anyone STATES for sure that he was BORN to Obama Senior… WE have to have a LEGAL HARD COPY of the Birth Certificate.

    ONCE a hard copy is made available… we can determine… that if what HUSSEIN Obama say is true.

    The best that Obama can be is a DUAL-Citizen, thus making him ineligible to be POTUS BECAUSE he IS not a Natural Born Citizen. ( Born of TWO Citizens of the United States.)

    Lot of legal mumbo jumbo about his mother not being OLD enough to PASS her Citizenship to Hussein as well. By US Law at that time … she was under age when she gave birth… by about 5 and a half month.

    • ellid

      Your talking points are two years old. Go home, birther, and do something useful with your free time, like teaching the illiterate to read.

      • Anonymous

        AND he’s been hiding it for over two years. Just show the damn BC. We will get it very soon, once the republicans take over the house and senate!

        • Anonymous

          Obama HAS shown the BC. He has shown the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official BC of Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on the BC. The Certification is the only BC that Hawaii has sent out since 2001.

        • Anonymous

          Obama HAS shown the BC. He has shown the Certification of Live Birth, which is the official BC of Hawaii, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on the BC. The Certification is the only BC that Hawaii has sent out since 2001.

  • Samkat

    Birth certificates and certificates of live birth are THE SAME THING. Kindly educate yourself.

    • Anonymous

      No they are not!

      • Anonymous

        The official birth certificate of Hawaii since 2001 has been the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. That is the document sent out to EVERYBODY, even to people born before 2001. Thousands of people use it to prove that they were born in the USA every year.

        The Wall Street Journal said:

        “The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.

        In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues.

        FactCheck.org has a close-up photo of the certificate, which states clearly at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” If a court were somehow to take up the question of Obama’s eligibility, then, the birth certificate would almost certainly be sufficient to resolve the question in his favor. The opposing side would have to provide serious evidence calling into question the veracity of Hawaii’s official state records. Innuendo and hearsay would not be admissible.

        Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.”

        AND, in addition to the Certification itself, the officials in Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor’s administration, and the Republican governor herself have confirmed the FACTS on the Certification, that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

      • Anonymous

        The official birth certificate of Hawaii since 2001 has been the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. That is the document sent out to EVERYBODY, even to people born before 2001. Thousands of people use it to prove that they were born in the USA every year.

        The Wall Street Journal said:

        “The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.

        In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues.

        FactCheck.org has a close-up photo of the certificate, which states clearly at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” If a court were somehow to take up the question of Obama’s eligibility, then, the birth certificate would almost certainly be sufficient to resolve the question in his favor. The opposing side would have to provide serious evidence calling into question the veracity of Hawaii’s official state records. Innuendo and hearsay would not be admissible.

        Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement.”

        AND, in addition to the Certification itself, the officials in Hawaii, who are members of a Republican governor’s administration, and the Republican governor herself have confirmed the FACTS on the Certification, that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

  • marshall_t0

    @Samkat,

    It seems you need some education yourself. To further confuse the situation Hawaii recently renamed their “certification of live birth” (aka the short form posted by Obama's campaign) to “certificate of live birth” which used to describe the long form birth certificate that has NEVER been seen by the public and may not exist. Now it is necessary to say “long form birth certificate” to correctly describe the document that will prove where Obama was born. To date, NO concrete evidence has been released to prove where Obama was born. The challenge: if you have some evidence lets see it. Otherwise, each side of this issue is relying on faith to support their beliefs. The author of this article has shown where her faith lies. Being a scientist, I insist on facts not faith. So far the facts do not allow any objective person to say where Obama was born. Obama could defuse the situation by releasing his “long form birth certificate”. Why has he chosen to fight the release instead? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • AristotleTheHun

    In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the “Vital Statistics of the United States

    Here is a blank copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth. This is the information being hidden by Obama

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/blank-birth-certificate-form-aka-obama.html

    Plus read the article that is included with the blank copy.

    Here is what a real Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/obama-faces-fellow-hawaiian-with-real.html

  • AristotleTheHun

    Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. Let's just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states.

    No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

    “Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96 To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it. All a person had to do was file a false statement and Hawaii took them at their word.

    One could not just say “My kid was born in Des Moines but I want him to have a Hawaiian birth record”. But if you lied no investigation was conducted to validate your claim and the Hawaiian birth record was issued no questions asked.

    Knowledge of this practice was wide spread and there are probably thousands of people who obtained Hawaiian birth records between 1911 and 1972 through the process of affidavits and witnesses rather than hospitals and delivery doctors.

    The only way to know where AKA OBAMA was actually born is to view AKA OBAMA's original birth certificate on file in Hawaii to see what kind of birth certificate it is, and to examine what corroborating evidence supports what it says about AKA OBAMA's alleged place of birth. If the birth was in a hospital, as AKA OBAMA has maintained, such evidence would be the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor who delivered him.”

    Excerpt from: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

  • http://twitter.com/frogger1957 Yvonne

    I hate legis

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