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By Lynda Waddington | 11.17.11

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Cain campaign: Farmers know more about regulations than EPA

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Mathis wins, Democrats maintain Senate control

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The Iowa Senate will remain under the control of a slim 26-25 Democratic majority when it reconvenes in January 2012.

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PR: Nation should work to address veterans’ challenges

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BRUCE BRALEY RELEASE — As US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan ends, it’s more important than ever that our nation works to address the challenges faced by the men and women who fought there.

PR: Honoring veterans, help in hiring

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CHUCK GRASSLEY RELEASE — A difficult job market is challenging the soldiers, sailors and airmen who have protected America’s interests by serving in the Armed Forces.

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Open Letter to Obama: A Personal Perspective on Late-Term Abortion

By Lynda Waddington | 07.08.08 | 12:48 pm

Dear Sen. Barack Obama,

You recently spoke with Cameron Strang, publisher of Relevant magazine. During that interview, Strang asked if you could clarify your position on “third-trimester and partial-birth abortion,” and you replied:

“…I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.”

Your response leads me to believe that you’ve either never had a one-on-one discussion with a woman who has had a late-term abortion, or that you’ve been too uncomfortable to ask such a woman difficult questions concerning not only the procedure but what led her to make that choice. Because a president needs to be given as much first-hand knowledge as possible as he develops policy, I’d like to help remedy this deficiency.

Thirteen years ago I had a late term abortion.

That’s the concise sentence I use when I don’t want to talk about what really happened. It takes all the emotion, all the family turmoil, all the medical terminology and all the grief, and packages it nice and neat. The listener is momentarily left speechless — long enough for me to walk away. Few follow as I retreat because only a select few really want to get beyond the politically charged debate that’s fueled by marketing consultant jargon such as “partial-birth abortion.”

Since by sheer virtue of space I cannot possibly offer you everything you need to know in this letter, I am making a promise that if you call or if we meet I will not give you any pat responses. I will do my best to open old wounds and allow my personal experience to become your own. In case you elect not to make good on this offer, I will provide what I can here.

Thirteen years ago I was married, living in a midsize southern town and caring for my then-3-year-old daughter. We attended church each Sunday, and I taught Sunday school and sang in the choir. I was thrilled when I learned that I was expecting a second child, and we announced the news to family and friends.

Around 20 weeks into the pregnancy my obstetrician scheduled a routine ultrasound at a nearby rural hospital. The technician was chatty as we walked from the waiting room. After we arrived and cool gel had been placed on my abdomen, she continued to talk as she moved the wand back and forth. A few moments later her movements slowed, she stopped talking and her skin paled. The ultrasound machine, which had originally been placed where I could see the image on the screen, was moved out of my line of sight. Her fingers began quick movements on the keyboard.

At the end of the exam, I was given a warm cloth to clean the gel and was asked to wait in a nearby chair. Soon a different worker came into the room and told me that I’d need to return the following day for a more intensive scan. I agreed and left.

The scene drastically changed the following day when I arrived for the second scan. First, my obstetrician was the one who met me in the waiting room. When we walked into the room with the equipment, I was quickly introduced to two other doctors and a woman who would be performing the scan. I immediately felt like a bug under a microscope. No one paid much attention to me. They all gathered around the ultrasound screen — something I was never allowed to view — and spoke in soft voices while pointing at the pictures.

When they had finished their work, I was told that they needed to review the scan. I was instructed to go get something to eat and then meet my doctor back at his office a short time later. I was nervous and confused, but didn’t see the point in arguing. I left and lit a candle in the chapel. Then I walked around the downtown area until time to meet with the doctor.

Nothing seemed uniquely odd when I arrived at the doctor’s office. The nurses and receptionist greeted me as they had throughout the pregnancy. I was asked to sit in the waiting room for a short time before I was called back. Instead of being placed in an exam room, however, I was ushered into the doctor’s office. He sat behind a large desk and motioned me into a brown leather chair opposite him. He didn’t start the conversation by telling me how sorry he was. Instead, he began by telling me the findings of the ultrasound scan from that morning.

He looked me in the eye and said, “Anencephaly.” I looked back at him, hearing the word but not understanding its meaning. “That’s the worst of the neural tube defects,” he said and paused again. I just stared at him and nodded. “Severe spina bifida would be bad enough, but the anencephaly…” He looked at me and then toward a box of tissues.

“Lynda,” he said, “do you hear what I’m saying?” I nodded again. “Anencephaly,” he repeated as if that one word should give me all the information I needed.

He looked as if he wanted to shake me, to force me to understand the word so that he wouldn’t be forced beyond the shield of medical terminology.

“You know, I thought about this yesterday after the first scan,” I told him. “I realize that there is probably something wrong with our baby, but whatever it is, I plan to deal with it.”

He looked down at his desk blotter and then said in a very soft voice, “There will be no baby, Lynda. This baby is going to die.”

I’m not exactly sure what I did immediately after that. The next thing I remember is driving the 30-some miles toward home. I had a packet of information from the doctor’s office on the seat beside me. At the top of the packet was the phone number of another doctor who was expecting my call later that day.

I did call that doctor, and, when he gave me the same information as my original doctor, I phoned another doctor. Then I contacted a fourth and finally a fifth. I was ready to drive or fly, beg or steal whatever it took to make this child “OK” again.

On the day that demolition teams leveled the tattered remains of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, I gazed out from the windows of the University of Oklahoma Hospital. I knew the doctors at that facility had a great deal of knowledge when it came to neonatal conditions. I also knew that they were probably my last hope.

The differences in what happened that day and what had taken place in the weeks before were striking. The screen showing the ultrasound images was not only turned to face me, but it was moved very close and provided me the very best view of anyone in the room. After the initial diagnostic scan was complete, all staff left the room except for the one doctor. He sat on a stool and wheeled around so that he could be right at my bedside. He showed me images from the scan we had just taken and held up pictures from “normal” scans. One by one, he went through each of the differences, explaining each in graphic detail. When we had finished with the scans, he sat them on a nearby table and grabbed a stack of books that contained medical pictures — photographs of infants who had similar defects as the child I was carrying. He went through those slowly as well, allowing me time to ask a question or to turn away and cry.

By the time we had gone through it all, I finally understood. The child I carried remained alive only because of his connection to me. For all practical purposes, I was serving as a life support system and, as soon as that system was removed, he would die.

Several days passed while my family debated the decision on whether or not to terminate the pregnancy. In the interim the doctor from the university hospital took my case before a state medical board for permission. Because the term of my pregnancy was well outside the state’s legal limits for abortion, a special ruling had to be made. The doctor explained that receiving such approval would not require me to go through with terminating if I decided not to do so, but would save time if I decided that was the route I wished to take.

We did eventually make the decision to terminate the pregnancy instead of carrying to term. It wasn’t a decision we made lightly. It wasn’t a decision that brought us relief or joy. We just knew that for us — for our family — it was the best of several horrific options.

When I phoned the doctor the next day to let him know our decision, he had news of his own to share. The state had denied our waiver, mandating that we would have to carry until either the child died or my body began labor on its own. The doctor provided our family with the name of a doctor in a nearby state that did not have the same legal requirements. Had the state board permitted the waiver, our insurance would have been obligated to pay for the procedure. Instead, it took us several more days to raise enough money to pay the out-of-pocket medical expenses and the travel expenses.

The procedure took two very long and agonizing days. This was not because I was in a state of physical pain, but because of the emotional toll. Whether a loved one’s departure is expected or not, it is never easy to say goodbye.

I’ve learned a great deal in the 13 years that have followed. I’ve met other women who were also forced to say goodbye to children because of anencephaly, a neural tube defect that results in the absence of brain and skull. Some of those women, like me, chose to terminate their pregnancies. Others opted to carry to term. We all grieve our losses.

For a long time I felt guilty, that maybe I took the “easy way” out of a difficult situation. After all, I did not have to stand in line at the grocery store while strangers made small talk about my pregnancy. I didn’t have to answer difficult questions from my three-year-old daughter. I didn’t have to lie awake for nights on end dreading the time when my body would ultimately betray me and begin labor.

When I finally broke down to a friend who had carried her anencephalic child to term about my personal guilt, she cried and told me that she had always thought she had taken the “easy way” out. Because of her strong desire for her older children to have a solid support system, she felt as if she could not terminate the pregnancy — that family and friends would not accept the decision and that, therefore, they would not make themselves available to shoulder the family’s grief afterward.

The two of us have come to understand that there is no “easy way” out of the situation we were handed. We both did what we thought was best for our families at that moment in time.

I’ve been asked on several occasions to share my experience with late term abortion. To date I’ve spoken with people who run the gamut of views in the reproductive health debate.

When I end my story, it is always with the question that I would like for you to answer now:

“If your loved one was placed on life support and attending physicians said there was no chance of life continuing without the machines, who do you want to make the decision as to when and if life support is removed?”

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  • tomasa

    Late-term abortion with physician recommendation and enough evidence of it's requirement. Only God judges. My best wishes to you Lynda. Hope you and your family are well.

  • docsperspective

    Lynda, you have my sympathy and my prayers. As an M.D., I have delivered babies w/ severe birth defects, and I have watched them die, and I know, as do you, that there is no easy answer, ever. Could I have participated in your procedure w/ a clear conscience? Yes, bc I understand that. I am a Christian, a physician, and a mother, and I understand that there are things we may never truly understand, but perhaps all we can strive for is peace and acceptance. I have little patience for those who would judge someone like you who has gone thru something so heartwrenching and think that they know the right answers for you. I cannot say what my decision would have been, faced with a similar situation, but I acknowledge that I cannot bc I cannot know.
    A few years ago I was asked to participate in a first trimester abortion as an anesthesiologist. I did not want to do it, but I felt sorry for the patient bc my colleagues were refusing. What if it were a young girl who had been raped? Turned out it was simply someone who had had multiple abortions bc she did not want more children. As I sat there and watched the procedure, I experienced an emotional trauma that I had never and have never experienced since. And I never participated in another.
    Could I, as a physician, participate in a late term abortion bc the mother is depressed? I remember that scene from Star Wars II where Padme was being attended to by a robot when she delivered her twins. I am not that robot. No, I could not. Did I feel something when I delivered these stillborn babies as an intern? Of course……esp since one was a preventable death, an ill conceived home delivery.
    I believe in choice. I am glad you were able to find MDs who were able to be supportive and compassionate. Trust me, it isn't easy, the best of us are not emotionally immune. I am sure a part of you will always grieve for that little one that you lost, just like no parent (no good parent) ever truly stops grieving for a lost child Thank you for having the courage to share your story and giving a voice to those who have been thru what you have experienced.

    • Anonymous

      I live in a big city. Here the physicians in the emergency room must tend to gunshot victims who brought it on themselves by being members of gangs. The docs know that when the patients are saved, they may create more victims. Yet they do their job without judgment.

      I too am judgmental about abortion. Yet these repeat cases may have an underlying story, such as alcoholism or prostitution. The patient does not seem to be an ideal patient with a real problem brought on by factors behind their control. Or so it seems. But you have to ask yourself why they keep using abortion as their birth control method.

      Yes, one can be emotional about it. One can feel one is participating in taking a life, and now of course there is the chance to opt out for moral reasons. But ask yourself – can I help women prevent unwanted pregnancies if I do not understand their problems? If I just turn away?

      I’m not a doctor. I do know someone who has had repeated abortions. She is an alcoholic with bi-polar disorder. The one child she has (in poverty) is about all she can handle, and it is a good thing that child is doing as well as she is (with special education). The story is not about you the doctor and your tender feelings all the time.

      • Anonymous

        wow, musings, do you have something against doctors? no, this is not a story about doctors and our tender feelings. what a remarkably unpleasant thing to say. perhaps the anonymity of the internet makes people think courtesy can be ignored.
        do we take care of gangbangers and criminals? of course we do. what does that have to do with the present situation? can doctors participate in preventing unwanted pregnancies? beyond performing sterilization procedures and prescribing and educating patients about contraceptive choices, not much. that has to be the premise of the families and the schools.
        do i believe in sex education, in improved access to healthcare, in better coverage for birth control? yes. should there be focus on the increased numbers of unwanted pregnancies in women in their early 20s, when they are now out of high school, may have no health coverage, may not be able to afford contraceptives? absolutely. should a woman who is considering abortion be given access to counseling about her other choices? of course. but by the time they reach the OR, that decision is made.

    • Anonymous

      “Turned out it was simply someone who had had multiple abortions bc she did not want more children. ” Do not assume it is that simple.. she probably did not want children but might not have been allowed to use any contraceptives due to her husband’s beliefs.
      It is always a mistake to “simply”fy somebody else’s situation.. one cannot put oneself into other’s shoes completely.. can try but cannot be in those shoes.. and hence it is a must to have these decisions made by the involved person.. “pro-choice”.

      • Anonymous

        of course i cannot reveal more about this situation out of respect for the patient’s confidentiality, but there is more to the story which we were privy to. for *you* to think that there aren’t women out there who choose to have abortions simply bc they did not practice birth control, and do not want to carry the child, would be foolish. it is also presumptious for you to assume that i jumped to conclusions without finding out her story first.
        abortion is a very complex issue. nothing simple about it. that is the point of my post….we are all humans shaped by our personal experiences, our personal views. would i choose an abortion under certain circumstances? would i choose to be part of the team of healthcare professionals who provide it? those are my individual choices. but what are the ethics of outlawing abortions, outlawing choices? are we foolish enough to think that those with the resources would be affected to the same extent as those who do not? are we naive enough to think that women in desperate measures would not choose to have unsafe septic abortions if abortions were outlawed? are we arrogant enough to think we know the right choices for somebody else? the woman i described, would she have found a way to have had her procedure done without me? of course. the choice, for me, was my participation, not hers.
        i have plenty of colleagues who participate in abortions, and i respect their decisions. none of them are motivated by money or any particular sense of sadism. they feel the woman should have the choice, as do i. i never met dr. tiller, but this is a man who has said prenatal testing without choice is wrong (i paraphrase). this was a man who risked his life and his practice bc he felt women should have options.

  • Spill

    I'm sad for all of the families that have to go through these situations. The problem is, you have been lied to, and you have convinced yourselves it's the right thing to do.

    At 18 weeks, my wife and I found out through ultrasound that our son was diagnosed with severe hydrocephalus, and a condition called Dandy-Walker syndrome where much of the brain doesn't form. It is often fatal. We were told there was a very good chance he would never be born, and if he did, he wouldn't be able to do much. Many would think we would be justified in having an abortion, to “save” this child from what would happen to him.

    We knew we had NO RIGHT to decide who lives and dies. Our son wouldn't have even been given a chance to live. Who, besides God, has the right to choose that? We never even questioned that we would continue with this pregnancy.

    Our son did not pass away in utero. Levi Marcus was born in December 2006. However, the doctors at our hospital, though knowing our original diagnosis, were suprised, and didn't know what to do. Levi was taken to OU medical center (the very same place Mrs. Waddington was in) and doctors there told us it was much worse than originally suspected, as if that weren't bad enough. Levi didn't have a malformed brain….he had NO brain. Where the brain is supposed to be, there is only fluid. He was on a CPAP to help him breathe. He had only his lowest part of the brain stem keeping his heart and lungs going.

    We were told he probably wouldn't last long. I mean, no brain, right? We signed a DNR and took him off his CPAP. We brought in our pastor and family to be with us. But Levi didn't pass that day. He didn't pass that week. THe doctors told us that since he made it this far, it might be a few weeks or months. He had a small surgery to relieve the fluid buildup in his head, and we took him home with us so we could spend his last days at home.

    That was January 2006. My son, Levi Marcus, with NO BRAIN, is nearly 2 1/2 years old (6/1/2009). No, he can't walk around. He can only lay in bed. He responds to touch, but we don't believe he can hear or see. I can not imagine a day going by without him. He is our miracle. Sure, his “quality of life” isn't great, but how is it for very old people? People with severe ALS and other neurological conditions? Why aren't we killing them off, if all we're concerned about is their quality of life?

    I feel for those women who get terrible news from the doctors. We've been there. We had the same silence from the ultrasound tech. The same detailed scans the next day. The pain of hearing what your child has a serious condition that may be terminal. But we believe that human life is special…important….to be valued above all other things. We are so happy to have our son in our life. I wish these women could have had the chance to meet their little ones. The sadness and pain of the loss is there whether the baby is killed in utero, or dies at birth. Why not them them a chance? We gave my son a chance, and he is still with us today.

    • Cajsa

      Your mistake is that you think that the choice that is right for you is right for everyone. That's what is so frustrating when talking to anti-choice advocates. It's ridiculous that we can recognize each other's different perspectives in soda choice, books, movies and all sorts of trivial things but when it comes to life's great questions we try to impose our opinions and beliefs on others? No pro-choice advocates go around trying to force anti-choice people to have abortions. We let you have your beliefs and do as you please, so have the common courtesy to return the favor and keep your self-righteous moralizing to yourself. Women who make these hard decisions really do not need to hear your self-congratulation and holier than though attitude.

      • Anonymous

        Cajsa, I agree completely.

        “No, he can’t walk around. He can only lay in bed. He responds to touch, but we don’t believe he can hear or see. I can not imagine a day going by without him. He is our miracle. Sure, his “quality of life” isn’t great, but how is it for very old people? People with severe ALS and other neurological conditions? Why aren’t we killing them off, if all we’re concerned about is their quality of life?”

        We aren’t “killing off” anyone– Lynda had her pregnancy terminated because her baby had zero chance of survival, as indicated by multiple teams of the top doctors on the subject. As for the elderly? They have already lived their lives and often have drawn up wills asking for one kind of treatment or the other– babies and the elderly are not the same, and it’s ludicrous to compare them as such.

        It’s quite amazing that Levi has survived this long with no brain. But people need brains to survive without the help of machines. Perhaps things will change, and medical advances will allow us to grow brains in petri dishes, or techonology will create robotic suits that children like Levi can wear to have some kind of life such as the rest of us enjoy, but it’s unlikely anytime in the near future.

        I do salute you for is putting your dedication where your opinions are– all too many with anti-choice sentiments bang on and on about giving a child a chance at life but never take responsibility for those special needs kids after they’re born. You are doing that, and your consistency of action and opinion is a rare thing indeed. I don’t agree with your decision– I think it’s quite twisted and amoral, especially for Levi. You talk about respecting life above all else, but Levi has no life, and never will– a child in that state is little more than a breathing vegetable, waiting to die. It’s sad and unfair to him. But nevertheless, though I don’t agree with your decision, or your sanctimonious attitude, I respect your right to make it.

    • Anonymous

      It is incredibly offensive to compare the “life” of your son with that of an elderly person. It is also offensive that you insist your choice is the choice everyone else should make, when you will likely never hear a choice advocate insisting everyone should be getting abortions. Shame.

    • Anonymous

      Spill, I understand your position on this subject. What I don’t understand is your judgemental tone . . . as a man, you’ll never nuture a child inside your body. Sure, you can play a supportive role and maybe even gain some pregnancy weight . . . but you’ll never know what it feels like to have a child move inside of you . . . or have a fetus lie abnormally still inside of you. How can you assume that the women (and men) who make this decision don’t value human life?

      Your son is a wonderful child, I’m sure. I’m assuming that since you didn’t mention any other children that he’s your only child. I wonder what effect such a time and presence-demanding child would have on brothers and sisters. I wonder if you might have made a different decision if you’d had healthy children prior to his conception.

      I think it’s also interesting to note that most neural tube defects result from a vitamin B/Folic acid deficiency. I wonder if your wife chose not to eat foods high in folic acid because the pregnancy was a result of God’s will and we’re helpless in light of God’s will . . . ? In no way am I claiming that this is her fault, nor am I being sarcastic . . . I’d just like you to consider what you sound like.

    • Anonymous

      Its a miracle that your child is living.. it is also true that he is living human life.. and probably a very “special” human life.. where he cannot experience anything even a wild animal can experience.. (see, hear, talk etc.). These are cruel words..but that is my opinion.. I respect your decision and am ok since it is your decision to make.. similarly respect other’s decision to make choice.
      Also, if you believe in God so much.. who do you think gives a human ability to make a certain decision ? So God gave somebody certain intellectual ability to make a decision to abort the pregnancy.. and somebody else, like you, certain ability to make a decision not to.. so abortion or not.. IS ALSO.. God’s decision in a way.. and not that person’s decision.
      If you give credit of miracles to God.. give credit of all the bad things to him/her/it as well. Don’t call Hitler bad names.. God is responsible for making him rise to that power where he could commit genocides.. Don’t call names to Osama.. God made him capable of causing and killing all those whom he is responsible for.. Don’t call names to Bush.. God made him capable fighting an unjust war..

      Claim and blame God !

    • Anonymous

      Spill –

      The important part here is that you made a CHOICE. You and your wife considered your options, reviewed your abilities to care for the child should he survive and ultimately made the decision to deliver.
      If I had been in your position, I know I would not have been able to handle the difficult pregnancy and delivery and ESPECIALLY would not have had the emotional and financial ability to support a severely disabled child. I would have chosen the late term abortion. Who are you to judge someone who doesn’t have the same emotional strength your wife had? How do you know that if it had been you giving birth you wouldn’t have made a decision different than hers? I imagine you feel very high and mighty about your ability to deliver and care for your son, but you are absolutely wrong to look down on those who do not choose the same route you did.

      I know I would want someone to take me off of life support if I were terminally ill. I’ve seen close family members who were dying in the worst pain imaginable and knew that if I were ever in that position, I’d want to go peacefully by my own choice. I’m not going to criticize anyone who doesn’t agree with me because it’s none of my business. Although “quality of life” may come second to “quantity of life” in your eyes, some of us see it differently. I’d rather be dead than lying there, locked in my body, being unable to care for myself for the rest of my life.

      But once again, it comes down to CHOICE. You have no right to judge anyone who did not choose the same path as you. Until you personally know what it’s like to be carrying around a baby inside your stomach, I’d suggest you be more charitable with your assessment.

  • harley52586

    Thank you for your very sad story. I think it just furthermore shows that really the only person capable of making such a difficult decision is the woman herself, with of course her family, and doctor. This is not a “right/wrong” argument. There are many reasons, and many different situations, and something like a law, applying to everyone, would not adequately address all of them.

  • Sarajk28

    When I was expecting my first child, I met another woman who was just slightly further along than I. I shared my joy with her, asked her what name she had picked out for her child, asked her three year old son if he was excited about having a baby brother or sister. I found out later that very same day that her unborn child was not expected to live through delivery. She was carrying this fetus to term because she had to.

    Maybe she would never have made this choice to terminate, but I have never felt as horrible as I did that day. I cannot imagine what questions her son must have asked her, how her emotions must have been completely ravaged by my less than sensitive inquiries. I didn't know.

    Anyway, I have often been baffled by what people think when it comes to abortion, in any stage. As if it is something a woman wants to do. It isn't. I worked in a clinic for several months, and never once did I encounter a woman that was relieved to be undergoing her procedure, whether they wanted the child or not. It would be nice if for once, mankind could try to put themselves in someone elses shoes and see that it isn't always so cut and dry.

    What an amazing letter; and as for those whose “humble opinions” differed from what choice she made, that's why they are your opinions, let them affect your own life.

  • Mommies05

    If you have never had an abortion period no matter what trimester you were in then get off this post, you dont know what it feels like and what you have to go through. Every woman should be allowed her own decision, there are different circumstances with each person, just shut up and get off. thats all i have to say !!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for this. People seem to think it’s just fun, like something we do on weekends, “just us girls.” And anyone who wants to put their religion into my uterus can shove off. I don’t tell them how to live their ignorant, judgmental, pathetic and often hypocritical lives. God loves me just as much he loves them, and my decision to have an abortion was between me and Him.

  • ncgator

    Interesting that so many “Pro-Life” supporters also support the Iraq War (an unnecessary war that “murders” countless innocent civilians, so many of them children) and the death penalty. Do you actually think God finds war an acceptable taking of life? You want these mothers to leave the babies inevitable death in God's hands, but who is it pulling the trigger, dropping the bombs, or pulling the switch of the electric chair- that's not God, or Jesus. The hypocrisy is mind-numbing! I am Pro-Choice, not Pro-Abortion… no one is Pro-Abortion, that term is intentionally misleading, like every word that comes out of the Right Wing Republican Spin Machine. I wish that no one ever had to have an abortion, EVER. But I am thankful that women have the right to choose and receive safe health care, not medieval back alley procedures. None of these Right To Life politicians ever have to worry if Roe v. Wade is overturned, they can always afford to fly to another country and have their abortion. By the way, I was adopted- I could have very well have been aborted, and I am very thankful I wasn't, but I will always support every mother's right to choose.

  • SamaritanWoman

    My heart broke and I wept reading Lynda's story. I am a Christian and believe Jesus is my Savior. And yet I cannot condemn or judge her; I can only love her. I can only pray she find healing for making such a horrible decision that was right for her. Love one another as I have love you.

  • Hope421

    I've heard many stories that ultrasound detects something very wrong with the baby inside and and the baby turned out either normal or not so bad. I went through a similar case, and almost had to come the the same road that you did where my family and I had to made the decision of late term abortion. My husband and I agreed that no matter what the doctor said we would carry the baby to term. And during this short period of time a co-worker told me 2 cases where the babies turned out beautiful and had been diagnosed by doctors of terrible consequences. Lucky for us. Having to go through that ordeal, I understand what a difficult and heart breaking situation Lynda went through.

  • caly

    I am moved deeply by her words- what a tragic situation for ALL concerned. She has my deepest respect for having the courage to share her journey so openly; in so doing, we learn that there are many circumstances which would/”should” give us pause. No two situations are alike. May we all take a moment and reflect on the turmoil associated with receiving such news…we don't need to sit in judgement, but take a moment to honor the many women who sit with just such a decision each and every day. I pray they feel guided to choose with wisdom and great care. It is not for me (or any of us)to cast judgement.

    Thank-you for sharing your story.

  • notaninvalid

    I have all the sympathy for the writer there is but I take exception to the last line of her letter;

    “If your loved one was placed on life support and attending physicians said there was no chance of life continuing without the machines, who do you want to make the decision as to when and if life support is removed?”

    I have ALS or Lou Gehrig disease. I will eventually have to be put on life support as respiratory function fails in ALS as do all arm and leg movement.

    Please don't pull the plug on me! There's life support and then there's life support.

    We need to speak more specifically about our disabilities. I will be able to think, read, write (through computers) dream, love – but not speak, feed myself, or care for myself.

    This is a start to a big conversation our country needs to have.

    • Green1212

      Notaninvalid-
      I think you are agreeing with Lynda. You are making the decision NOT to take away life support when you are no longer capable of surviving without. it. You are making that decision, not the government, not a religious leader, not a politcian. You are making that decision. It is an important decision and you deserve to be able to make it. Women deserve to be able to decide for themselves whether to continue a pregnacy or not., not the government, not a religious leader, not a politcian.

  • lightbulb1223

    Lynda,
    I commend you for your courage to speak about your heartbreaking experience. I have tears in my eyes as I'm reading this and thinking of the unimaginable grief and anguish that comes with making such an impossible decision. No one has the right to judge someone else, especially until they are in their shoes. I hope that you have been able to make peace with your decision, and you know that your little angel is now in a safe place, with no pain and will be with you always. I wish you the best!

  • screamer

    Wow! How sad! We need more open, honest discussions that bring humanity to the women and families who face these difficult decisions. It should be a private matter with regulations that are humane and safeguarding of women and babies but pragmatic.

    Did Obama ever meet with you?

    Lib

    • http://www.iowaindependent.com LyndaWaddington

      No, I never got a reply from Obama or his staff.

      • Anonymous

        I am hoping that will change with the recent attention given by CNN. More education is needed about this difficult, but necessary procedure. The right has given everyone the idea that late-term abortions consist only of viable, full-term infants emerging, eyes open from the womb, only to have their brains scrambled by whatever scissors are nearby. This is simply not true, as you know too well. I think you have educated many, many people with your story, and I wish you only the best and much healing in the future.

  • DeonW

    Unfortunately, we live in a nation founded on conflicting principles… in one breath, we claim to be a nation founded on God, but in the same breath, we support religious freedom. Ultimately, this is a theological issue. As such, individuals should be allowed to choose what they feel is best for them, because afterall, they're the ones who have to live with their choice and be at peace with themselves and their God. States should not be able to dictate what a woman should do with her body. As a minister, I believe that right and wrong are not as clear as we try to make them. There is a discipline in ethics known as situational ethics. In situational ethics, different circumstances require different interpretations of what we consider right and wrong. In this particular case, there is no clearly defined understanding of right and wrong, therefore, the mother should be allowed to make the final decision regarding the best action to take… not the states, not the courts, but the individual.

  • sad_sad_sad

    Lynda – I want to thank you for sharing your story. I also had a “late-term abortion” (though I hate using those words). I said good-bye to my much-loved, much-wanted little boy after he was diagnosed with massive heart defects and a chromosome abnormality. I could not bear to carry him to term, knowing that he would suffer and eventually die. Though someone who has never been through this can never truly understand, I have so much appreciation for the women like you who speak out about their experiences. We are not women who just woke up one day and decided we didn't want our babies. We loved them. We grive for them. We did what we thought was best for them and for our families. It is a horrifying, painful decision to be faced with. To be so misunderstood only makes the pain that much worse…

  • jp1

    Thank you for telling your story, and helping me understand.

  • Margaret1967

    Lynda, Thank you for sharing your letter and story. I, too, had a late term abortion. My daughter had Trisomy 13 with no chance of survival. In 400 hundred years, there has only been one documented case of a child reaching 18. I understand what you went through and cried as I read your account. I had a very similiar experience.

    My best friend went to Dr. Tiller 15 years ago due to the baby having anencephaly. Again, another heartbreaking decision. Dr. Tiller was very clear he would not perform an abortion for convenience. He interviewed her first and carefully examined her medical case.

    The anguish of making this decision is indescribable. I think your final question is spot one.

    The politics of this issue have taken a very complex, difficult and emotional issue and dumbed it down to fit into inflammatory rhetoric. Each mother needs to answer that question for herself. These difficult decisions are best left as private matters. I believe that if more people told their stories, compassion and understanding would be allowed into this public debate and perhaps some intelligent reflection.

    God bless you, Lynda.

  • siennablue

    Lynda, thank you for sharing your story. I have a similar one and yet, have never felt able to talk about it except for a few very close friends. Even my family received a highly edited version of the situation because of my and my husband's fear of judgement. — all at a time when we were the most devastated and emotionally fragile ever in our lives. It is a horror beyond belief to be pregnant for four months with your first child, to be excited, to love this baby, to bond with it in your own body and then to learn in a second that it will not live, that the dreams and hopes and life you've woven so intricately with love around this baby will never happen. It is a sudden death you suffer at that moment — the physical death occurs either through a late term abortion or after birth. Our baby had a severe chromosomal defect. Before my own experience, I was pro-life. I simplistically viewed the issue as black and white — something you can't help but doing when you aren't in the trenches on an issue – no matter what the topic. But now I know the horror and I mean horror of going from feeding and nurturing your baby with every breath you take and every bite of food you ingest to realizing that it's in vain. My husband and I couldn't live with this switch in mentality and knew we couldn't carry on this pregnancy. The process of undergoing a late term abortion is not swift and easy either. Physically, it's very painful. And, afterwards, your body goes through all the normal post-birth experiences — but no baby. Please find compassion and understanding for mothers, fathers, and families who face this heart-wrenching event and the need for this type of late term abortion. No one escapes the pain — it's a matter of choosing how to begin healing from the pain.

  • a2migrl

    I am profoundly moved by your story. I am truly sorry for your loss and the struggle to make such a hard decision. You are the bravest person that I ‘know’ and I applaud your honesty and candor. Whether I believe in abortion or not is nobodies business but my own. I just believe that no person has the right to tell another how to live their life in their own skin. I am of the mindset that government has no right to tell any person what they can and cannot do with their bodies. That should be between the patient, the families, the doctor, and the clergy of that family (if so believed). There is a huge political debate on whether a woman has control of her body.

  • tracieeveland

    With life support someone has to make that choice. However with this situation she didn't have to make that decision God would have!!! Humans just can't stand to give God control over their lives!!!

    • Anonymous

      Tracieeveland, forced-birth cultist:
      “With life support someone has to make that choice. However with this situation she didn’t have to make that decision God would have!!! Humans just can’t stand to give God control over their lives!!!”

      Your god doesn’t exist. If it did, it chose to make this woman pregnant with a hideous mockery of humanity, a thing that could never have lived, an empty shell without a brain. And chose to let her go months eagerly anticipating a living, breathing child, only to find out that what she was carrying was nothing of the sort. If your god is real, it is a monster. Lucky for all of us your god is just a delusion.

    • Anonymous

      And God blesses this country with those of use who choose to believe in spiritual forces other than those you believe in. That’s why this country is great– freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. I am a Christian, but you’ll never catch me beating my bible over anyone’s head because, as Jesus did, I practice tolerance and I try to love those who are different than I am.

  • musings2

    Only the most fanatic people could blame this woman for terminating her pregnancy. I am glad she wrote to Obama. Although he seems a much more intelligent man than our last President (as who would not be?), he used the same glib generalities to talk about a personal medical decision. What kind of ghouls would insist that this woman carry her brain-deprived fetus to term? Well, evidently just about all of us, if the campaign rhetoric is any judge.

    The difference between the crude bludgeon of the state and the careful scalpel of a competent doctor is huge. Therefore only a few brave souls like Dr. Tiller could help her, only to be mindlessly attacked by the Ann Coulter's, Terry Randall's, and Bill O'Reilly's of the world. Snake oil salesmen have always been with us, as common as the poor fools who follow their lurid falsehoods.

    The original intent of Roe v. Wade was to assert the privacy interests between a woman and her physician. State interest kicks in for only special reasons. But cowardice in the states, cowardice of these bullying snake oil boys – used by the Republican party to score cheap points – has resulted in women's not receiving adequate care in their home states and being forced to leave home to get it.

    It is a case by case thing, and apparently when challenged in court, Dr. Tiller met the criteria for responsible late term abortions. But his murderer stood with the mob who didn't trust the court to give justice to what they regard as most sacred, the unborn. I am sure that Roeder feels he will be famous and lauded by them forever, as a kind of jihadi of the right to life. He's wrong about that. It will be bad for vote-getting. He'll be abandoned like an unwanted newborn on the steps of the courthouse.

  • abc1

    Before anyone else comments on this, I would like to you do some research on Anencephaly. After you have fully educated yourself on the basics of this topic, do yourself a favor and check out pictures of babies born with Anencephaly. Now please understand I am the type of person who would not personally have an abortion but I wouldn’t take the right away from other people. If you take a look at the pictures you will understand. There is no possible way that you can voluntarily bring a child with Anencephaly into this world let him/her experience the “radical” physical feeling of birth (not sure if it feels good or bad for the baby, everyone knows its not great for the mother) and then let him/her suffocate and wither away after being ripped out of the most safe and comfortable place on earth. I do not blame anyone for having an abortion after learning more about this condition. Although I do NOT condone the use of abortion for birth control, there are few exceptions to every rule, that’s one of the first lessons we learn in school.

    I think everyone needs to make the choice for themselves instead of for other people. If you don’t believe in abortion, great don’t do it.

    And if you do, may you never get put into a situation that you need to make that choice.

    That's all..

    • Anonymous

      There’s no way the forced-birth cultists will ever research anything. Learning is against their religion.

      But then, the question of anencephaly doesn’t really matter to them. Because though they usually don’t admit it, their opposition to abortion doesn’t really have anything to do with the fetus. If they really cared about children, they would be adopting the unwanted and abused ones that are already here, and supporting better healthcare and food for those living in poverty. If they really cared about the sanctity of life, they wouldn’t support the death penalty or senseless wars or anti-abortion terrorism.

      The forced-birth cultists don’t really care about babies, or life, or any of the things they claim to care about. It’s all about control. Their whole movement exists because they can’t stand the idea of a woman making her own decisions about her own body, and they can’t stand the idea of laws that treat people as human beings rather than slaves of their cult.

      • Anonymous

        Good call, I never though of all those things before as well. Im pro-life for soldiers! ha never thought of it that way.

        ________________________________

  • akuafire

    There is no God.

    • MidwestMom

      You are sadly mistaken and you will find out in the end….

      • Anonymous

        What a very Christian attitude that is.

        • Anonymous

          Of course, according to the religious right, the true sign of a “christian” attitude is the undying hatred of anyone different, fantasizing about neverending torture for all who dare think for themselves, and a truly astonishing level of self-delusion required to call that “love”.

          I know there are sane christians who don’t salivate at the thought of burning people alive, but the sociopathic torture fetishists keep saying they’re the world’s only true christians. If any christians have a problem with being associated with thissick cult of god-the-cosmic-hitman, do something about your own extremists before whining at us for calling them out.

      • Anonymous

        You can’t frighten nonbelievers. The tenet of your faith is based upon the fear that you’ll never see your mom, your granny, your childhood dog, ever again once they die. The idea that we are all worm food in the end is so unbearable to most people, that they need these stories to get them through life. I don’t fault them for that, it’s a painful, harsh reality that this is all there is. Most people can’t deal with it, and I think they should do what they need to do to comfort themselves–as long as that comfort stops with them, and doesn’t result in either a bullet through another person’s brain or the forced gestation of a child who cannot possibly survive. That’s where religion becomes victimization.

    • Anonymous

      It’s so true. And, sadly, people are so fixated on assuaging what is the adult version of Santa Claus, that they brutalize, murder, reject, chastise and reject their fellow human beings. I think the fact that people here can spew such hate at this woman, especially after reading her heartfelt words, is proof of the lack of this Big Man in the Sky in and of itself.

    • Anonymous

      akuafire, I think you would agree, that it is far more beneficial for you to believe there is a God and to live your life as best you can in the foot steps of His Son to find out after death there isn’t one. Then to not live your life by His rule and then die to only find out He does exist. Think of what words you would have to say then.

      TheLordIsMyBanner

      • Anonymous

        Ah, Pascal’s Wager! The dumbest bet in all history, yet the christians keep falling for it. How are you gonna explain to Amaterasu and Loki that you bet on the wrong horse?

        • Anonymous

          Phantom,
          God created you and I in his likeness. Then assuming He wanted you and I to have a freedom of choice (with rules). I know nothing of your Japanese beliefs and would not be able to argue them with you, but I would say that everyone is entitled to choose their religion. When christians are saved by God that means a lot of different things for them that God has promised to them. One of them (rules) being fatihfulness in Him and no other Gods or Idols. So for christians it is not a “bet” but a promise from Him.

          • Anonymous

            No, there is no god. All the gods dreamed up by humanity throughout history, the tricksters and son spirits, the animal-headed deities of Egypt, the greek Zeus who turned into a cow to pick up chicks, the silly spider who stole all the stories from cruel old Tiger, the mad lich slain by his vampire lieutanant, the Jewish zombie who was his own father, all these beings are figments of the imagination.

            Your laughable excuse for an “argument” above, that it is better to feign belief in god to avoid punishment, fails so miserably on so many levels. It offers no means of selecting the correct god, whether a dead guy on a stick, some dude with a hammer, a levitating entity composed of pasta, a sentient shade of blue, or a woman with the head of a vulture, you just assert that YOUR version of god is correct, without the slightest speck of evidence. Then you pretend that this being values obedience and the pretense of faith over self-determination and honest doubt, and that it will endlessly, brutally torture those who dare think a wrong thought, proving that it would be unworthy of worship even if it existed. And all the while, you utterly fail to offer any evidence whatsoever that any god at all exists.

            If you want people to believe in and serve your imaginary friend, bring out some facts. Demonstrate that this god of yours is any more real than Amaterasu, Bokonon, Cthulhu, Darksied, Enki, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Gozer the Traveler, Hecate, Isis, John Frum, Kali, Loki, Moradin Soulforger, Nerull, Odin, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Suzumiya Haruhi, Tiamat, Ungoliant the Unlight, Vecna, Wengido, Xehanort, Yu Yevon, or Zeus.

            And if you can manage that (something no christian in two thousand years has been able to pull off), then you have the unenviable task of demonstrating that said god is actually worthy of such service, and that you have the ability to speak for him and pass on his will. If you dare to try this, you will fail miserably, but at least you won’t be proselytizing your cult quite so arrogantly.

          • Anonymous

            Granted I am an aspiring Christian with a lot still to learn, but one most important thing I have learned is that with all those “myths” you named none have any proof on any level you so desire to witness yourself. Except Christianity does have real proof…the death of Jesus Christ and the resurrection only three days later witnessed by more than 500 people. Instead of persecuting how about researching before you say much more (not that I’m the judge). You can start by reading “The Case for Christ”. I have two copies if you need one.

          • Anonymous

            Of course, your cult is proven right because of a mythical event with not a speck of physical evidence, and a bunch of contradictory “eyewitness” accounts written decades later, by people who profited from spreading the cult dogma! And it’s all recorded in the perfect, infallible holy scriptures that give four different incompatible versions of events! Plus at least one known forgery planted by the cult. Yeah, that’s plenty of proof. About as much as the people who said they saw Mohammed ascend to heaven, or Joseph Smith’s golden plates, or that statue of Ganesh drinking milk, or the Hale-Bopp UFO.

            And you’ve certainly got a well-developed persecution complex. Just dare ask you for a speck of evidence, and you scream like you’re being tortured! You’re a disgrace to every martyr who ever lived or died. If you can’t even survive a request to support your claims without cowering in a fetal position and whining about persecution, what would you do if you ever had to suffer some REAL persecution? Like what your cult has been doing to anyone inconvenient for centuries?

            Bottom line, if you want anyone to join your cult, you need some evidence that the crap you’re spewing is actually TRUE. Until you can bring that, your threats of hellfire are just laughable revenge fantasies that expose you as a delusional monster. Put up or shut up.

          • Anonymous

            Well, first, it is not “my” “cult”. Second, I will pray for you to find what it is you are looking for. I do not have the power to show you the kind of proof you are demanding. In Christianity the test God bombards us with is how far our faith extends. I wish I had the tools to reveal the proof you seek. Since I do not. I will pray also for God’s will to be done. Read the book I told you of. That may or may not be enough to begin your own investigation. I only ask that you investigate it first before you draw a line in the sand. Good Luck and if you find definitive proof your belief is the truth please save as many people as you can.

  • AnotherERNurse

    Hopefully God will forgive you too, Ihayes09, for your judgemental words.

  • MidwestMom

    Thank you for sharing your story. While I may not agree with your decision, I pray for your comfort and peace. I've read many of the posts below. There's a common note….terminate the life before it has even been born vs. terminating life support while on earth. There's a HUGE difference between the two. Terminating artificial life support when someone is injured or terminal is far more natural. If a person's body has shut down or been so injured that it can't go on, then that's the cycle of life. You live, sometimes you suffer, you die. Terminating LIFE in utero before it has even had a chance is so un-natural. There's a big difference between removing artificial life support and removing completely natural (the womb) life support. Cutting, sucking, squishing, and crushing an innocent child in utero is the most un-natural thing you can do. Why not go through the cycle of life weather your body naturally terminates the pregnancy or allowing the precious baby to pass on after it's born. That is natural. I'm certain that these decisions are not made easily or in haste. However, to make a general statement that no woman wants an abortion is false. There are many unwanted and unplanned pregnancies that are ended for convenience. To avoid hardship, judgement, etc. All we can do is pray for America and our leaders. God knows this world is not how He created it in the beginning. Unfortunately, judgement day will come and we will all know the truth and have to answer for our actions.

  • jjek

    For all of those people opposed to abortion, how many retarded, physically disabled, drug addicted or perfectly normal unwanted kids have you adopted, raised as your own, educated and loved? If “none” is your answer then shut your traps. The alternative to making abortion safe and legal and contraception free and easily accessible is what happened in Romania where thousands of kids were kept in 'orphanages' never touched, loved or wanted rocking in their cribs for days on end in soiled clothing and bedding. C'mon, people. Mind your own life, raise your own kids or get yourself out there adopting the unwanted ones and don't make people have children they don't want. God won't look after them. They'll be neglected or abused. It happens every day. It's heartbreaking and horrific. Let's face it, parenting is not for everyone. Just ask social workers and look in the prisons if you need evidence of that. If your mom doesn't want you and no one else does either, life is going to be a dismal, pointless, cruel journey.

    • MidwestMom

      Let's deal with the criminals who cause the baby's to be born as addicts. Let's have mandatory sterilization (which is much cheaper than abortion) to repeat criminals and drug addicts that continue to bring children into the world. Punish the sinner, not the product of the sin.

      • Anonymous

        Anyone here whining about legalized abortions being part of a vast conspiracy to enforce eugenics (and I’ve seen the glare from the tinfoil hats already), take a look right here at MidwestMom, we’ve got one of your own forced-birth cultists explicitly endorsing mandatory sterilization!

    • calicocat

      I have adopted three thank you. One is mentally retarded, one was heavily abused and neglected, the littlest is blind. Trust me, there are thousands of people around the US who spend everyday searching for a child to adopt….and thats just the special needs children. It took me years and thousands of dollars. Now I am waiting, and waiting, and waiting for another. The compition is firece and many because so many wonderful “damaged” children are killed because they are not as perfect as their moms expect them to be. Now I wait for a Down Syndrome child as 90% of them are put to death.

  • okbaby

    I'm just amazed that you think what you did was giving someone a “chance”. Your child isn't living, it has no brain, it doesn't react to you, doesn't think, isn't really living. You think this is a better option? To grow attached to someone that you expect to die at any second? This child will never get married, never graduate from school, will never experience what we as humans experience. I just think it is cruel, to force someone to live that isn't really living. Cruel. I couldn't imagine having to carry a child full term knowing that no matter what happens, it won't live long or will die at birth, how awful that must be.

    • MidwestMom

      You are mistaken “okbaby”….please read this blogspot site for a recent story of quite the opposite of what you've stated above.

      http://babyfaithhope.blogspot.com/2009/05/best-…

      Your comment about growing to someone you expect to die…..we all are going to die. Children die every day of tragic accidents at ages 1, 2, 3, etc. Should we never have given them a chance either? You are seriously confused and misguided about life, love, and true joy.

  • patricialu

    I rarely leave comments, but I have to say your story made me cry. In some time warp way, I wanted to be there for you back then, being your friend and supporting you in whatever way I could. You are so brave for going through what you did and so selfless to share your story with other people. Although I have always been pro-choice, I never thought having an abortion was a quick decision, but I don't think I knew until I read your story and others like it just how painful — and unbelievably so — making a decision for a late term abortion can be. By the way, on the night my father died, my mother blurted out she'd had an illegal abortion before she married my father and it was like she had kept that horrible secret all those years and was finally able to speak the truth about her whole life.

    For you, Lynda, I wish you a life of peace and happiness. Thank you for sharing your very sad story.

  • hemi_forever

    And so we have it, the true nature of late term abortions. Denying abortions in these situations is nothing short of inhumanity.

  • others_shoe

    To Spill..

    Its a miracle that your child is living.. it is also true that he is living human life.. and probably a very “special” human life.. where he cannot experience anything even a wild animal can experience.. (see, hear, talk etc.). These are cruel words..but that is my opinion.. I respect your decision and am ok since it is your decision to make.. similarly respect other's decision to make choice.
    Also, if you believe in God so much.. who do you think gives a human ability to make a certain decision ? So God gave somebody certain intellectual ability to make a decision to abort the pregnancy.. and somebody else, like you, certain ability to make a decision not to.. so abortion or not.. IS ALSO.. God's decision in a way.. and not that person's decision.
    If you give credit of miracles to God.. give credit of all the bad things to him/her/it as well. Don't call Hitler bad names.. God is responsible for making him rise to that power where he could commit genocides.. Don't call names to Osama.. God made him capable of causing and killing all those whom he is responsible for.. Don't call names to Bush.. God made him capable fighting an unjust war..

    Claim and blame God !

    To docsperspective

    “Turned out it was simply someone who had had multiple abortions bc she did not want more children. ” Do not assume it is that simple.. she probably did not want children but might not have been allowed to use any contraceptives due to her husband's beliefs.
    It is always a mistake to “simply”fy somebody else's situation.. one cannot put oneself into other's shoes completely.. can try but cannot be in those shoes.. and hence it is a must to have these decisions made by the involved person.. “pro-choice”.

  • wscds

    My daughter Clare was born with anencephaly seven years ago. We knew at 20 weeks that she would not survive long outside of the womb. We put our faith in God and chose to enjoy her life, to celebrate her time with us. She lived 20 hours after her 9-month pregnancy. Her life was every bit as beautiful and meaningful as those of my four living children, just not as long. I have peace and joy whenever I think of her or look at her picture, cradled in the arms of her family.

    To any who may think an anencephalic child has no quality of life… our daughter had a perfect life on earth, and now has joy forever in heaven. We cannot wait to see her again!

    • Anonymous

      An anencephalic child HAS NO BRAIN. That’s what the WORD means. A child without a brain cannot think, it cannot feel, it cannot see, hear, smell, touch, or taste, it cannot move, it cannot do anything, percieve anything, or have any experience of the world whatsoever. An anencephalic child is no child at all. It is not a human being, never was, never could have been. It lacks the capacity for any kind of life at all. This is not a gray area, this is a matter of fact. Why is it so hard for the forced-birth cultists to get this through their thick skulls? BTW, an anencephalic child also has no skull. And all this was stated above, on this very page, this is the DEFINITION of anencephaly! No brain! No skull! Barely even a head! Nothing that can experience pain or pleasure, nothing that can experience anything at all! There is no child here. Just an empty shell.

      • Anonymous

        You are an unkind person, and worse, you speak of things of which you do not
        have full knowledge.

        My daughter was and is a person. She was created by God and has an immortal
        soul. A person is not defined by his or her abilities; rather, his or her
        existence as a human being is sufficient to qualify for personhood.

        Clare could not do many of the things that normal infants do, of course, but
        she could feel, she responded to our touch, she gripped our fingers with her
        tiny and perfect hands. Whatever else she may have perceived while held in
        or loving arms is certainly not something you can claim to know.

        Her life may have been too brief to qualify as meaningful to someone like
        you. What your values may be I cannot guess, if you think it a worthwhile
        use of time to write a nasty spiteful email to a bereaved mother. I cannot
        regret that she never thought the kind of venomous thoughts that inhabit
        YOUR skull.

        She was a pure lily who blossomed and then died. You sound more like a
        patch of thorns that spread like a plague among decent people.

        • Anonymous

          The definition of anencephaly is clearly stated in the letter above. Yet the forced-birth cultists can’t seem to understand it. There are still countless comments here, none of which you have objected to in the slightest, calling Lynda Waddington a murderer for ending a pregnancy that she and her doctors knew could not produce a child. Again, I remind you, you have not expressed any objection to the unkind people in this thread, speaking of things they refuse to even read the definitions of, who attacked Lynda in the vilest of terms, support terrorist attacks against the doctors who helped her, and advocate never-ending torture for anyone who treats Lynda as a human being. Yet I dare give an accurate definition of a word, and you scream bloody murder. You reserve all your hatred for a person who speaks the truth, with none for the psychopaths who falsely accuse an innocent woman of murder. Why is that?

          I never saw your daughter, but if your daughter was anencephalic, she had no brain. That is the definition. That is not an attack, that is a FACT. Without a brain, there can be no thought, no emotion, no perception, no nothing. Again, this is fact. If you have a problem with these statements, your problem is not with me, but with reality.

          Your experience was doubtless very traumatic, and I did not mean my post as a personal attack, only as a clarification of the terms. Misrepresenting reality helps no one.

          • Anonymous

            Do you really think you need to clear up for me the definition of
            anencephaly? Wow, that is some kind of arrogance. I know what my daughter
            looked like, I was present at and aware of every moment of her life, and I
            am not confused about her condition. And by the way, I never made any
            statement about what other women must do if in my situation; I was simply
            sharing my happy memories of my little girl.

            But you are missing the point entirely, perhaps you are incapable of
            understanding! My experience with my daughter was not traumatic, it was
            joyful!! Of course we missed her after she died… but her life was
            BEAUTIFUL.

            Maybe you do not know beauty when you see it, but I held this beautiful
            child in my arms. She had a perfect, precious little face, she opened her
            mouth and drank when offered milk, she stretched and made little baby
            sounds, waved her hands around, slept, woke, yawned, gripped our fingers and
            pulled them toward her face.

            You tell me to accept reality; yet you deny it when you haven’t even had the
            chance to know it!

            Please do not speak of things you cannot possibly know! From reading your
            comments elsewhere on this blog, I see you have vociferously demanded
            Christians to show proof to back up their beliefs, yet you feel free to
            pontificate on matters which reveal your deep ignorance, such as
            anencephaly. I guess that makes you a hypocrite.

            I’ll pray for you; there’s always hope. No soul is without the chance for
            redemption.

            God is a person who seeks love; He created you with the freedom to love Him
            or hate Him; He won’t take your freedom away; only you can destroy your
            freedom through your own refusal to live in the truth.

          • Anonymous

            Keep your empty prayers to yourself. Your god is nothing more than a delusion. Your fellow cultists demand obedience to this imaginary friend, but cannot offer the slightest speck of evidence it even exists, and they fantasize about the neverending torture of anyone who dares point out their total lack of evidence, but you can’t manage to find any fault with that. False accusations of murder mean nothing to you. Treating women as nothing more than mindless baby machines is no problem for you. Sociopaths spreading lies get a free pass from you. Someone yells at the top of their lungs that billions of people deserve to be tortured forever, and you don’t even bat an eye. But I point out that a child without a brain has no brain, and you explode. Nice to see where your priorities lie. Again, the one thing you can’t stand is reality.

          • Anonymous

            This is my last response to you, because I don’t think this dialogue is
            constructive for you or me.

            I assume you are a man, because you keep referring to women who bring forth
            children as mindless baby machines… you must not have the slightest
            understanding of motherhood, the miraculous and otherworldly joy that
            instantly changes the heart of a woman when she takes her newborn child in
            her arms. It is a transformative experience, I promise you!

            You keep accusing me of anger, but really, I only experienced sadness and
            hurt when in the middle of a peaceful evening with my kids, your email
            suddenly came into my mailbox telling me that their sister was never a child
            and had no worth. I responded to you because you sent this message to me; I
            have not responded to anyone else because none of them have sent me personal
            emails telling me that my memories of my daughter are delusional.

            When I told you that God is a Person, I was trying to communicate that He
            makes His presence known when He finds a heart that loves and welcomes Him.
            Faith is a relationship; the peace and joy it brings is proof enough. So it
            is no surprise that you have not yet experienced His presence; you have
            slammed the door against Him and triple-locked it.

            Still, He stands at your door and knocks; I’ll pray for you that someday,
            maybe just minutes before you draw your last breath, you’ll at least peek
            out and see Him.

            Now I am turning off my connection to this blog. Whoever you are, wherever
            you are out there in the world, and whatever may have caused such pain
            within you, I wish you peace. May the Divine Physician open your heart and
            heal it; you do not need to be lonely anymore.

          • Anonymous

            No, *I* am not referring to women as mindless baby machines. Others in this thread have done so, notably someone using the name “childfirst”, and I pointed out what was wrong with that. Yet you can’t bring yourself to condemn such an “unkind person”. I’ve tried to point out before that your whining about how mean I am has no substance behind it, because you can’t see anything wrong with the far greater hatred spewed by your fellow cultists. Such as someone above, who wrote a long screed filled with nothing but lies. Or a few people below, who feel the need to threaten others with eternal hellfire. Or the aforementioned “childfirst”, who compared a living human woman to a life support machine and said she shouldn’t be allowed any control over her own body.

            But then, I wouldn’t expect you to read for meaning. You’ve been blinded by your faith in an imaginary tyrant, and the delusion is so deep you’ve convinced yourself that very blindness is some kind of special sight. It’s not.

            I’m not lonely. I don’t need an imaginary friend, I have real ones. And I certainly don’t need your sanctimonious arrogance claiming that an abusive relationship with your imaginary friend is the only way to be a real person. Goodbye and good riddance.

  • Smilesonme

    Why do we use God to put fear into peoples heart…do we really think that this is the way to call people to him. I don't….I don't care in what, or who your God is…there is forgiveness for everyone, because WE ARE ALL SINNERS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karin-Hinze/672342166 Karin Hinze

    In light of Dr. Tiller's murder, I know one of the comments I have seen floating around was the fact that Dr. Tiller's christian faith seemed to be contradictory to his occupation.

    Thank you for once again proving that this is NOT, and never will be, a black and white issue.

    I don't believe for one second that anyone who is making any judgements against you, or Dr. Tiller, or the morality of the agonizing decision you made, has experienced anything remotely as horrific as what you had to go through.

    This is the ultimate testament to not judging others until we have walked in their shoes.

    And to all you people out there who are trying to pass judgment on Ms. Waddington, you should know better. The bible teaches love, acceptance, and that only god can judge. Keep your preaching to yourself. He who is without sin….

    • justhis

      Being pro choice and Christian are much more than compatible, if you read the Gospels.: More like obligatory. And, remember Christians, how Paul said you'd be known? I saw nothing Christian in Tiller's murder, but I do in this poor woman at the well.

  • dave2010

    She took the easy way out. She should have let the child die naturally, not by the cruel methods of late term abortion.

    • others_shoe

      Ok.. since I also have the right.. I call you a killer of freedom and a traitor to humanity.

      • justhis

        and a murderer, too. Leaving a human to die, like that…how cruel of you, and against god's will. You must make it live forever! (In case you can't tell, this is sarcastically offered to show you the complete fallacy of your (lack of) logic. God does not hold any death to be “natural”. Think of that when you throw your first stone, sinner.

        By the way, just how strongly are your feelings motivated by the idea that a woman is 1) inherently sinful and 2) does not deserve to live freely? Think about that sin when you read about Mary and Martha, ok?

    • tagurit

      isn't that between her and her God/god – who are you to judge?

      I can't imagine a harder decision and as an advanced practice RN in an ICU setting in a children's hospital, this fetus had no chance, this mother and family would have suffered countless insensitive comments regarding what happened to their baby and also cost thousands in health care costs. No one takes abortion lightly and those who do, likely would make horrific parents anyway.

    • Ashley1975

      Dave, you will never understand what it is like to carry a baby inside you because you are not biologically capable. Though I support your right to be ignorant, keep your arrogant Bible-thumping views to your narrow-minded self. You neither contribute to this thread nor help further our understanding of why you believed that abortion is a sin, or why anything in your belief system is a sin. Explanations and communication are always key in discussing difficult issues like abortion. All you are doing is playing the blame game, and you're never going to change anyone's mind doing that.

    • momofthree66

      How old were you Dave, when your heart died?

    • Anonymous

      dave2010, you clearly place more value on a creature without a brain, that can never have any kind of life, than on a living, breathing, human woman. Is this because you see women as nothing more than mindless incubators, a common position among the forced-birth movement? Or simply that you sense a kindred spirit in another creature who, like you, lacks all capacity for thought and understanding?

  • abi1kenabi

    Thank you for sharing. I recently heard a story like yours, and I've heard stories of women in my church who carried such babies to term.
    The fact that there are laws that aren't clear enough is really the problem in the case of late-term abortion. It's never an easy decision to make when it's a baby you want to be healthy, and honestly, judges just don't have the set of knowledge needed to make such a ruling on a medical case.
    I believe there is a special place in heaven for babies whose bodies never gave them a chance to live on earth.

  • Myfewcents

    Well said dave2010. My sentiments exactly.

  • sweetpeamcgee

    jjek,

    THANK YOU! I have said the same thing all along. If you don't adopt or foster children, then shut your mouth.

    How many of you self-righteous fundamentalists have adopted children? What about the quality of life? Is there nothing to be said for quality? Do you have any ideas the stories that some of these children have? Abuse and neglect…it is disgusting and tragic. Yet you people, using God's name, sit and pass judgment on people for making the choices that are right for them and their lives.

  • jenizzy1

    Wow, I have always been against, until reading her letter. Anecephaly is awful…read about it when I was pregnant…if you are a doubter go and look online at pics for yourself. I am not sure you can even really consider the fetus to be alive becuase it is missing brain matter…there is no nerve sensations then. I think people just need to be less critcal and let our freedoms be. No one knows how they would truely react unless they are in the same situation. Thanks for sharing your letter.

  • pgm

    This is one of the most moving letters I have ever had the privilage to read. Thank you for sharing it with those of us who have not shared your pain. You have helped me understand.

  • KPK65261

    To Midwestmom- just as an FYI, Hitler also advocated mandatory sterilization for those he deemed not worthy enough to reproduce. Slippery slope- next could be bloggers who state positions on which they have no personal experience…

  • WCM02

    I am so sorry for Lynda's loss. I am a christian I am pro life but abortion is not always black and white. My heart and my prayers go out to Lynda's family and the other patients of Dr Tiller's. I can not imagine the heart ache, agony, guilt and hurt people in Lynda's position suffer. Late term abortions are not decisions made lightly. These babies are wanted, loved and cherished. I respect women who have made decisions to have a late term abortion. I also respect women who have carried the pregnanct to term and cried while the baby/child died in their arms. Either way the child's life is not what the parents dreamt for it. How can we understand until we are forced to make the decision? I wish other christians would start sharing love and compassion for those hurting around and amongst us instead of this judgemental nonsense going on (point and case Dr Tiller's murder). That is our job – to show Christ's love. Pro lifers we have a noble cause but it extends pass birth (you do NOT answer “murder” with murder). We need to fully embrace what it means to be prolife.

    • Luposian

      In the story, it is evident the body has “no brain nor skull”. As a Christian, I oppose abortion under all circumstances but the absolute most life-threatening… unless the cells/fetus/baby is removed, the mother will die and the baby will also. That drastic. And under NO other circumstances.

      But this wasn't a baby. This was a body. Why? IT HAD NO BRAIN. It was a living body. Not a living person. So why NOT abort it, if you're not really killing a person? Because you are prematurely killing something that is living… that NEEDS the mother to survive… for as long as it can.

      The abortion was *unnecessary* for the mother. The “body” could have come to term and would have lived as long as it would, outside of the body. There would be no need for sustaining measures, as there is nothing but a “body” to sustain. Without a skull, it's likely the head would be horribly misshapen or completely collapsed. But the mother doesn't need to see that.

      The RIGHT thing to do would've been to love what was in her for as long as was as possible and let it go when it died, after giving birth. It's that simple. That's what a truly CHRISTIAN mother should do, knowing the full reason WHY we are opposed to abortion.

      There would be no suffering by the “baby”, after birth, as it has no brain to be “alive” nor register pain nor “suffering”. It's only the emotional lost by the mother. They “body” would have died, having no knowledge of the cessation of life.

      This abortion was the result of trying to be “compassionate” to a non-living entity. Like a cloned body in a tank. It was likely little more than a fully formed body with no “brain” (and thus no soul/spirit) to control it. Without a brain, you cannot live. Your body cannot register pain/suffering without a brain to translate stimulus in a part of the body. Do you suffer when you are unconscious/put under, for surgery? No. Your brain is essentially “Off” at the time. Are you aware of your own existence for that period of time? No. Your brain is what keeps you alive and makes you aware of your own existance.

      So this abortion was not “wrong” for WHY it was done… it was wrong because what it DID to what it was done to. Premature/premeditated killing is ALWAYS wrong. That body had a RIGHT to LIVE in her body til it died on IT'S OWN. It was there because of a natural process (sex) and it's death ought to have been natural as well. And not a moment sooner.

      Speaking of heads and brains and skulls…

      The one thing I'd like to know is… are we just a “head” living on/controlling a body? I would love to know if “we” (whomever) could actually still be alive without a body… to have our head surgically removed in such a way, that blood flow was uninturrupted to the brain, so that we'd wake up and realize we no longer had a body.

      Naturally, this “experiment” would only be done on those who were convicted criminals and were going to be killed anyways. And after the experiment was finished, they would simply be put back to sleep and the head removed from the machinery, thus killing them.

      Morbid curiosity… weird, huh?

      • WCM02

        Clearly this is something that needs to be researched and well thought out. Clearly this is more complicated than “paper or plastic?” Not a dig or being sarcastic or anything but just curious do you eat meat, eggs, fish? Because if I understand what you're saying the baby wasn't so much a baby but a living thing. So the fact that she aborted because the baby wasn't a baby was ok. But the abortion was wrong because it killed a living thing.
        That experiment opens up a whole new line of thought to be investigated. But we would never have the opportunity to do the experiement.

        • Anonymous

          Since we did not see the ultrasounds ourselves, we can only go on what was said. It was implied the “baby” had no brain nor skull. This implies that it is a body that is only “alive” only because it was attached to the mother’s body. At detachment, the “baby” would die… but if that’s the case, why go through the “underground tactics” (illegal and heinous) of a partial birth abortion. Just induce labor, bring the baby out, cut the umbilical, and let it die.

          Without a brain (assuming that statement is complete and they don’t actually mean, “Well, all the serviceable (large) parts of the brain are missing, but the base-primal functions are intact”), the baby would be still-born the instant it was delivered. Nothing you could do would make that baby breath on it’s own. Without a skull, it’s head would be deformed or collapsed.

          Now, if the base primal function of the brain were somehow intact, then the body might function to some degree on it’s own, but only on the most rudamentary level. The baby would, likely be and remain unresponsive (as though it were unconscious), with no ability to react or function on it’s own.

          If THAT were the case, then that line of “is it a living baby deserving of all measures to sustain it, or is it just a body that looks like a baby but it never wakes up?” At what point do you say that you’re simply keeping a “body” alive and the person is actually no longer there (or in this case, likely never was)?

          My view is that abortion, for any other reason than dire survival of the mother, is unacceptable and wrong. If the baby that is delivered can survive on it’s own (provided natural assistance, as normal babies can), then great. If the baby that is delivered is still-born, so be it. If the baby that is delivered is a “living shell” (a body that is “alive”, but shows no ability whatsoever to react to any stimulus and is basically “eternally unconscious” (as being minus all higher parts of the brain would likely cause), then the “baby” should be given the chance to breastfeed and, upon no suckling reaction, should be allowed to “die” naturally.

          The bottom line is, abortion should NEVER be an option, except in one case. Not for the viable and nor for the non-viable. Let nature take it’s course and let the grieving process go through as it must. But the act of deliberately ceasing whatever life exists within a woman’s body is still KILLING. The doctor deliberately STOPPED the “life” inside that woman. And I doubt God views that action, regardless of the excuse, favorably.

          People are not animals. We cannot “do as we wish” with them. Inside or outside the body. As it is, I would sooner give our pets to someone who would have the means/desire to take care of them, during a sickness, than to pay to have them “put down”. I do NOT want to be the deliberate cause of death to any pet of mine, regardless how “compassionate” putting them to sleep might be considered. Let someone else do it. It won’t be me.

          And that same mindset goes to me as well. Were I struck with an incurable disease and suffering horribly, I would not asked to be “euthanized”, to put me out of my misery. I’ll let God handle the when and where of my passing. I might WISH to die, but no one (me or otherwise) is going to end my life one moment sooner than I am meant to live.

          Now, what about the whole “perm. vegetative state” argument? Ok, let’s go there… if it could be proven that I was 100% brain-dead. That, if life support measures were removed my body would cease functioning immediately (or within moments), then that would be proof enough I was no longer “present” (I don’t imagine God’s gonna have me hanging around in a body that can no longer serviceably contain my spirit) anyways. And, thus, all they’d be doing is letting my body stop functioning on it’s own.

          As my body is already outside the womb, this continues my argument for “if the body can’t live outside the womb… let it die.” But don’t kill it deliberately, let IT die on it’s own.

          You’re not deliberately killing a person, if they’re already gone. You’re simply letting their body cease to function. As long as your desire/intent is correct, there’s nothing wrong with removing “life support” when it’s been proven beyond ANY doubt, the body is empty of any “person” (the spirit/soul) who used to reside within it. And, without a spirit within it, I don’t believe a body can live on it’s own. It would cease to function within moments. It can be “sustained” by medical force, but why are you doing that, unless you’re just keeping the body around to harvest viable organs?

  • KPK65261

    Glad to know that Dave and mytwocents have experienced the heartbreaking loss of a child, in any fashion, and have the knowledge to make this statement. I'm glad to know that the decision that Lynda, I, and countless other women in our positions, made was the “easy way out”. Again, I'm assuming that you've both been pregnant and been in this position, given your clear expertise on this matter. You obviously chose to carry a dying baby for 20 more weeks, go through labor, and then watch the child die, as I assume you didn't take “the easy way out.” Bravo for you.

  • Ashley1975

    Lynda, I'm reposting my comments from the Anderson Cooper 360 blog– hope that's okay.

    Nobody ever wants to have an abortion. A dear friend delivered a baby in October with a horrific birth defect of half a heart– he lived eight traumatic months on life support, the whole time in the intensive care unit of a children’s hospital in San Francisco. He had no quality of life, nor did his parents, both of whom quit their jobs to spend all their time in the ward and be by his side. The little one died the other day, to nobody’s surprise, and in fact, the relief of many of us that both his and his parent’s suffering would ultimately end. Though we’d all wished for the best, we all braced for the worst, and no matter how you slice it, this was a painful and difficult situation whatevert the outcome. Would the baby have lived, he’d have been subject to a life of severe special needs and multiple surgeries, and probably only expected to survive until about 20 or so.

    Many of us have been asking, why was this allowed to happen? If it had been me, and I’d known my baby was going to suffer like that, I’d have likely had a late term abortion. These ignorant people who say it’s just so black and white have no perspective and no understanding of what it means to be alive. And when they foist their ignorant religious beliefs on to those who have made rational and painful decisions based on much suffering and trying to do the best for both mother and child, it’s just uncalled-for.

    Lynda, I support you completely.

    There are obviously people on here who don’t ever evaluate the human side of these issues– yes, where are they when the special needs kids are born, completely dependent full-time help to survive? Do they contribute money to causes that provide for them? Or adopt them? I doubt it. They come from a position of blame and fear of the truth, and probably vote for the death penalty at the same time. Life is not black and white, and anyone who allows themselves to make snap decisions about other people’s lives without considering all the facts is ignorant and lazy and dangerous.

  • GreekGoddess

    Dave,
    You think it would have been easy to watch the child suffer & die?
    She did what was right for her & her family.

  • Ashley1975

    Sorry, I just can't stop commenting on this thread– it's utterly compelling. This is an issue I care deeply about, and I get very disappointed when people just want to dismiss real discussion of the elements of what it takes to decide on having an abortion in favor of easy rhetoric. I haven't seen much discussion on here about the tragedy of Dr. Tiller's murder– I know we're mostly talking about Lynda's profound letter and her experience and bringing this important discussion to light, but I want to throw it out there that it's the ultimate hypocrisy that someone who claims to hold life in high regard kills a medical provider who performs abortions. My heart goes out to the family of Dr. Tiller, and to Tiller himself. He put his own life on the line to help women and babies with terrible situations in the most ethical way he knew how. It's a tragedy that he was murdered, and by a hypocritical lunatic to boot.

    When I read stuff like the current CNN interview with Dan Holman of Missionaries to the Preborn, I am sickened by the level of hypocrisy. Link to that article is herehttp://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/abortion.dan.holman/index.html?iref=newssearch

    May the heroic Dr. Tiller rest in peace, and I pray for his family's suffering to be eased. Yes, I'm a Christian, I'm Pro-Choice, and I vote and regularly contribute money to women's right causes.

    • KPK65261

      Well said.

    • WCM02

      As a woman I want the right to choice to carry my pregnancy to term. I want the right to have an abortion for a baby with conditions like Lynda's. I want the choice. Dr Tiller's murder is ultimate hypocrisy. I was disgusted by it and ashamed to be connected to it by the fact that I am a Christian and a prolifer. I am prolife in the sense that abortion is not the answer to partying and teenagers having sex. If you are having sex you should be willing to face the consequences of it – raising a child.

      Having said that late term abortions are something all together different. I respect Dr Tiller for helping these women and their families in very horrific situations that I pray I'll never have to face. I am disgusted by Christians / prolifers who refuse to acknowledge the grey area. Not everything is black and white. Show some love. Too many prolifers focus on getting babies to birth but what about keeping people alive? Like preventing Dr Tiller's murder? Like helping the poor, homeless, starving people who don't have food or medical care to stay alive?
      I am in NO WAY saying what the shooter did was right – it was VERY VERY WRONG. But imagine if that passion (crazy as it was) had been harnessed into helping starving children? Or in raising funds for people to have life saving operations?
      The other side to this is that if you are a Christian you believe murder is sin. In God's eyes the greatest sin is blaspheming the Spirit. Other than that there is no grading scale for sin. We have one on earth because sins have human consequences. But what all the Christians or prolifers who were “cheered” (Dan in the article) by the murder fail to see is that all humans are sinners in God's eyes. Who didn't lie today or speed to work or think a dirty thought? In God's eyes you and I are no better or worse than a murderer. So in that light we should all be murdered. It greatly angers and disgusts me when Christians take Dan's position on being cheered by Dr Tiller's murder because it is so hypocritical and flat out wrong.

  • Ris

    My heart goes out to the women on this listserv who had to make this difficult decision. I can't imagine spending 20 weeks of your life knowing your little one wouldn't live, dealing with everyone asking questions and finding out the truth. I would make the same decision myself.

    A question if you don't mind. In late term cases like this does the doctor simply start labor to terminate the pregnancy, or is the so called partial birth abortion procedure done. If that is the case, why that over inducing labor?

    Thank you for sharing.

    • KPK65261

      Ris,
      It all depends on what week you are in, what your state allows, and your choice. I was in week 19 and had a D&E, which is not considered a “partial birth abortion” (made up term). An early termination is a D&C, the one I had was a D&E (performed inside the uterus), and a late term is, I believe, a D&X, which is what has been labled a “partial birth abortion”. I had the option of being induced and going through labor, or choosing a D&E. D&X's are restricted in my state, but labor inducement isn't. I was one week from the cutoff, and then would have to have been induced. If a D&X is allowed in the state, and the woman is past the D&E cutoff, she has the choice of inducement, the D&X, or carrying to term. If there is no D&X allowed, but inducement is allowed, she can do that. If the state is very restrictive and she cannot have a D&X or be induced, she must carry to term. Or, as Lynda did, travel to another state. Again, it's all about law, week of pregnancy, and choice.

      This wasn't a choice I made lightly. I was told by several specialists that the baby would not survive labor if I was induced and would be born dead, missing the top of her head just above her eyes. I also wanted to know if the D&E would cause her any pain, and was told since there was no brain that had properly formed, there was no ability for the baby to feel anything at all. I opted for the D&E. In this situation I support women who choose to terminate, or to carry to term and give birth- in both cases we all lose.

      • Ris

        Thank you for sharing. Of course you didn't make this decision lightly. I'm still trying to grasp why you or (anyone else) chose the D&E rather than just induce. Is it less painful? To me inducement just seems more natural – probably no better or worse than the other options I suppose. But less like the responsibility is on your shoulders for what is happening. That's probably naive of me to think. But I'm curious your reason for going the D&E route if you don't mind telling me.

        Blessings,

        Ris

        • smeyers

          I'm from Indiana and went through this experience 14 years ago where I had a choice of a D&C, abortion or inducement. I chose to induce and 42 hrs later my daughter was born. Although she didn't live, we got to hold her and dress her and look at her and this is why I made my decision to induce. However, I feel that each mother has to make the decision that is right for her and her family.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks, I appreciate you getting back to me. My deepest sympathies for the loss of your daugher.

            Ris

  • mdl2585

    midwestmom……i too come from the midwest and you really need to look into the eugenics movement. this sounds a lot like something that you are proposing. may i mention that this was a precursor to what went on during the holocaust. i have even seen the various camps in poland and it is hard to denounce what took place, especially when people think that it didn't take place here in the US….think again! our own ancestors were immediately deemed dumb the second they got off those ships to “the land of the free”. those words that the statue of liberty holds are all for show. if you really appreciate midwestern values, consider that fairs in this area of the US even held competitions over who had a “godly heritage” . some of those groups still try to exist today, ie the eugenics society. i believe the name has changed. those who were not “godly” were not allowed to breed, or what you suggested, were sterilized. what is even more interesting are how political figures are affilitated with this orginaization. so midwestmom, take it from another midwesterner and come to understand that both of our ancestors probably were a complete bunch of idiots! (not really but someone seemed to think so)

    • someone_somewhere

      There were people in America who were forcibly sterilized up through 1974. California was #1 for how many people they sterilized, but were by no means the only state to do so. People who were mentally handicapped, physically handicapped or in some other way socio-economically disadvantaged were targeted. Eugenics is a very recent part of the U.S.'s past.

  • TheLordIsMyBanner

    Akuafire,
    I think you would agree, that it is far better for you to live your life with faith in God and to try and repay the debt for Him giving up his “living” Son for your and my sins. To find out after death there isn't one would be a relief for you I'm sure, but to live life believing there is no God to die and find out there is in fact a God. What words would you have then? When he asked of your sins?

    • others_shoe

      I would say.. “What kind of moron are you?.. look at the mess you have created on earth?.. why don't you just make yourself evident to everybody and stop the killings and pain and suffering in your name?.. you are inefficient, selfish, and ineffective ! I guess you really got 'nailed' to be ineffective.. Hell is better than earth.. and it is much better than using your name to screw into other's life.. Go and get a degree from a business school and learn management.. hire a few consultants (outsource since you are not smart enough) to figure out what is going wrong and then follow their recommendations to fix it .. you could file for bankrupcy like GM by destroying the whole mess you have created… shame on you.”
      I am pretty sure that he would send you (myBanner) to Hell with me to discuss this issue !!

      • TheLordIsMyBanner

        Well, if we meet in Hell it is not because you and I decided to go there.

        • someone_somewhere

          If your biggest reason to choose to believe in God is for fear of there not being one, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of faith? Essentially, you are calling yourself a believer for the purpose of hedging your bets. That seems extremely self-serving…

          • TheLordIsMyBanner

            Never did I say that was the way my faith faces. I fully believe in the Lord and Jesus Christ's resurrection. I was attempting to instigate the thought of faith in a God we are supposed to fear in the first place. Thank you for your concern though….God bless you and your family!

          • phantomreader42

            If your faith is not founded on fear, why did you use Pascal's Wager, an entirely fear-based argument, as a reason to believe in your god?

          • TheLordIsMyBanner

            I am not afraid of God. I am afraid of Hell. Are you willing to bet on the existence of Hell? So am I! We just happen to be betting for opposite reasons. Most Christians aren't betting for the sake of winning against people who do not believe in God. That is what Satan wants for you and I. I am betting that you will decide to have faith in God, to be saved, and not go to Hell. It is people without faith in God that God calls us (Christians) to help Him save. I, like millions of others, have been tasked by God to show you his deck of cards so you can decide whether you want to cheat or play His hand. By the way, His deck of cards is the Bible, the word of God. Another piece of proof. Those legends you mentioned have changed thousands of times through out centuries even millenniums. His word has not for at least two thousand years. True Christians are not tasked by God to save themselves that would be instilling fear…He has tasked you, I, and the other millions of Christians to save everyone else for His army against Satan….Hell.

          • phantomreader42

            So your faith is entirely founded on fear of an imaginary PLACE, rather than fear of an imaginary BEING. Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

            Hell isn't real either. Satan is just another fictional character. The bible is just a book, it doesn't have any magical powers, it contradicts itself in several places, and it's full of known falsehoods. It's no more meaningful than the Koran, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, or the Necronomicon. Your book of myths no more proves that your god exists than the Lord of the Rings trilogy proves elves exist.

            Really, Pascal's Wager is a bet for cowards and fools. If your god were real, and so unredeemably evil that it would torture people without end purely because they didn't believe a bunch of absurd myths, such a god would be unworthy of the worship of any honorable being. If it were so stupid it could be fooled by such an idiotic exercise in illogic as Pascal's Wager, it would be similarly unworthy. You and your cult fail on every level.

          • TheLordIsMyBanner

            Well, I can promise you one thing. In your investigation you will find no trace of courage without fear. I don't think most Christians are courageous cowards.

  • fwt1934

    I certainly sympathise with motrhers who carry a fetus with this diagnosis. It would be very difficuk to handle. One of my daugheter-s in law have sister sho carried a fetus like this. It was heartbreaking for her and her family. It was her first child. She is very much against abortion at any term and with much heartache mad the decision like you did. I am against abortion at anytime but I certainly feel that this would be a time where that would be for the best interest for the mother and for the family. Why God choose to allow that we do not know but just knowing that He did for some reason and trust in His devine knowledge is what we have to do. Abortion for this reason should niot be condemned. It is sad enough that it happened without placing guilt or blame on a woman as well. In the case of the young mother I mentioned here a simple regimen of Folic acid would ahve prevented this diagnosis and now it is required for all pregnant mothers and childbearing women. May God bless you

  • mif

    Thank you for sharing your story. I have never heard of this abnormality. Your letter reaffirms my belief that we have no right to make judgments on women who decide to have abortions. That's difficult, because I truly believe it should not be used as a means of birth control, and probably only a very small percentage are frivilous decisions. The procedure is so traumatic. Bottom line, no one but the woman involved has the right to make those decisions. Early term is best, but sometimes (as in your case) that's not always possible.

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