Comments on: The Promises of Local Control (Part 1 of a Series) http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series Iowa politics, news, and commentary Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:46:10 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: kevin http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-12101 kevin Thu, 31 May 2007 00:53:08 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-12101 <strong>Local control over factory farming</strong> First of all, factory farming is the best answer to share cropping as an alternative to slavery.    We have that with hogs and chickens, next will be cattle.   Corporate ag owns most of the politicians, and is allied with CSIF and Farm Bureau to do as they wish and not have to answer to anyone.   They don't even live near these things (CAFOS) and stay in the city to check progress from their computer.    Of the 16 billion dollars they generate, how much goes to how many farmers?   I mean working farmers, not the city "farmers".   These corporations have unlimited money to match their public relations staff along with advertisements about family farmers that is more myth than fact.   Tell me there is an open market that is fair and not manipulated by the packers and I'll let you hold my pet rattlesnake that is domesticated, and won't bite you?   What we have is a process of production that is out of control, damaging our environment, and trampling on the rights of everyday citizens.   Before local control is given we need a complete MORATORIUM on any new construction and a review of what has been built.    How much more ignorant do we need to be to allow the current process to continue?    Don't listen to CSIF, Farm Bureau, or the commodity groups....take your camper or tent and go out here and live amongst the stench for a year, kill lots of flies, wake up to the "smell of money" and tell me we're doing just great without local control.    MORATORIUM NOW!     Kevin Local control over factory farming First of all, factory farming is the best answer to share cropping as an alternative to slavery.    We have that with hogs and chickens, next will be cattle.   Corporate ag owns most of the politicians, and is allied with CSIF and Farm Bureau to do as they wish and not have to answer to anyone.   They don't even live near these things (CAFOS) and stay in the city to check progress from their computer.    Of the 16 billion dollars they generate, how much goes to how many farmers?   I mean working farmers, not the city "farmers".   These corporations have unlimited money to match their public relations staff along with advertisements about family farmers that is more myth than fact.   Tell me there is an open market that is fair and not manipulated by the packers and I'll let you hold my pet rattlesnake that is domesticated, and won't bite you?   What we have is a process of production that is out of control, damaging our environment, and trampling on the rights of everyday citizens.   Before local control is given we need a complete MORATORIUM on any new construction and a review of what has been built.    How much more ignorant do we need to be to allow the current process to continue?    Don't listen to CSIF, Farm Bureau, or the commodity groups….take your camper or tent and go out here and live amongst the stench for a year, kill lots of flies, wake up to the "smell of money" and tell me we're doing just great without local control.    MORATORIUM NOW!     Kevin

]]> By: boji http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-12102 boji Wed, 30 May 2007 02:22:13 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-12102 <strong>Why trust big ag over rural citizens?</strong> <p>Local control is at the heart of democracy.  To say that the opinions and values of the people closest to the situation should not be controlling in land use -- in the name of ease of administration for the ag industry -- demeans both ourselves and the system of government that we have proudly upheld for over 200 years.</p><p>Don't buy the crap that this is about "family farmers".  Industrial agriculture co-opted that term and twisted it so that it no longer has meaning.  For example, the number of farms raising hogs in Iowa decreased by 84% from 1980 to 2000, while the average number of hogs per site increased by 572% over the same period.</p><p>Why does industrial livestock -- with so many peer-reviewed and published studies proving the damage to Iowan's health, communities and environment -- deserve special treatment that no other industry in Iowa receives?</p><p>Giving one industry that much power is simply wrong and un-democratic.</p> Why trust big ag over rural citizens?

Local control is at the heart of democracy.  To say that the opinions and values of the people closest to the situation should not be controlling in land use — in the name of ease of administration for the ag industry — demeans both ourselves and the system of government that we have proudly upheld for over 200 years.

Don't buy the crap that this is about "family farmers".  Industrial agriculture co-opted that term and twisted it so that it no longer has meaning.  For example, the number of farms raising hogs in Iowa decreased by 84% from 1980 to 2000, while the average number of hogs per site increased by 572% over the same period.

Why does industrial livestock — with so many peer-reviewed and published studies proving the damage to Iowan's health, communities and environment — deserve special treatment that no other industry in Iowa receives?

Giving one industry that much power is simply wrong and un-democratic.

]]> By: cman http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-12103 cman Tue, 29 May 2007 06:15:04 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-12103 <strong>Size Matters</strong> <p>If we are not mincing words, then let's face facts: very large scale chicken, hog and cattle confinement operations are bad for the animals, bad for food consumers and bad for the environment.  The only thing they are good for is the pocketbooks of large farm operators and the shareholders of IBP, Perdue and the like.</p><p>I agree that a patchwork of county laws is not a good idea.  Iowa state lawmakers need to grab ahold of their courage and start to make the tough calls.  How many heads is too many"?  What is the maximum methane concentration in the air?  What should the <i>real</i> cost of effluent spills or illegal pumping be?</p><p> What we need are sane, manageable and economically  sustainable regulations on these operations <i>That</i> will provide the framework for healthy agribusiness for  years to come.</p> Size Matters

If we are not mincing words, then let's face facts: very large scale chicken, hog and cattle confinement operations are bad for the animals, bad for food consumers and bad for the environment.  The only thing they are good for is the pocketbooks of large farm operators and the shareholders of IBP, Perdue and the like.

I agree that a patchwork of county laws is not a good idea.  Iowa state lawmakers need to grab ahold of their courage and start to make the tough calls.  How many heads is too many"?  What is the maximum methane concentration in the air?  What should the real cost of effluent spills or illegal pumping be?

 What we need are sane, manageable and economically  sustainable regulations on these operations That will provide the framework for healthy agribusiness for  years to come.

]]> By: KN http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-12104 KN Fri, 25 May 2007 09:46:15 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-12104 <strong>local control about more than livestock</strong> Local control would allow cities to pass their own laws about smoking in public places. Also, Iowa currently has a fair amount of local control in running public schools---a situation that is being seriously challenged by No Child Left Behind. local control about more than livestock Local control would allow cities to pass their own laws about smoking in public places. Also, Iowa currently has a fair amount of local control in running public schools—a situation that is being seriously challenged by No Child Left Behind.

]]> By: KN http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-256 KN Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-256 <strong>local control about more than livestock</strong> Local control would allow cities to pass their own laws about smoking in public places. Also, Iowa currently has a fair amount of local control in running public schools---a situation that is being seriously challenged by No Child Left Behind. local control about more than livestock Local control would allow cities to pass their own laws about smoking in public places. Also, Iowa currently has a fair amount of local control in running public schools—a situation that is being seriously challenged by No Child Left Behind.

]]> By: cman http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-257 cman Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-257 <strong>Size Matters</strong> <p>If we are not mincing words, then let's face facts: very large scale chicken, hog and cattle confinement operations are bad for the animals, bad for food consumers and bad for the environment.  The only thing they are good for is the pocketbooks of large farm operators and the shareholders of IBP, Perdue and the like.</p><p>I agree that a patchwork of county laws is not a good idea.  Iowa state lawmakers need to grab ahold of their courage and start to make the tough calls.  How many heads is too many"?  What is the maximum methane concentration in the air?  What should the <i>real</i> cost of effluent spills or illegal pumping be?</p><p> What we need are sane, manageable and economically  sustainable regulations on these operations <i>That</i> will provide the framework for healthy agribusiness for  years to come.</p> Size Matters

If we are not mincing words, then let's face facts: very large scale chicken, hog and cattle confinement operations are bad for the animals, bad for food consumers and bad for the environment.  The only thing they are good for is the pocketbooks of large farm operators and the shareholders of IBP, Perdue and the like.

I agree that a patchwork of county laws is not a good idea.  Iowa state lawmakers need to grab ahold of their courage and start to make the tough calls.  How many heads is too many"?  What is the maximum methane concentration in the air?  What should the <i>real</i> cost of effluent spills or illegal pumping be?

 What we need are sane, manageable and economically  sustainable regulations on these operations <i>That</i> will provide the framework for healthy agribusiness for  years to come.

]]> By: boji http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-258 boji Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-258 <strong>Why trust big ag over rural citizens?</strong> <p>Local control is at the heart of democracy.  To say that the opinions and values of the people closest to the situation should not be controlling in land use -- in the name of ease of administration for the ag industry -- demeans both ourselves and the system of government that we have proudly upheld for over 200 years.</p><p>Don't buy the crap that this is about "family farmers".  Industrial agriculture co-opted that term and twisted it so that it no longer has meaning.  For example, the number of farms raising hogs in Iowa decreased by 84% from 1980 to 2000, while the average number of hogs per site increased by 572% over the same period.</p><p>Why does industrial livestock -- with so many peer-reviewed and published studies proving the damage to Iowan's health, communities and environment -- deserve special treatment that no other industry in Iowa receives?</p><p>Giving one industry that much power is simply wrong and un-democratic.</p> Why trust big ag over rural citizens?

Local control is at the heart of democracy.  To say that the opinions and values of the people closest to the situation should not be controlling in land use — in the name of ease of administration for the ag industry — demeans both ourselves and the system of government that we have proudly upheld for over 200 years.

Don't buy the crap that this is about "family farmers".  Industrial agriculture co-opted that term and twisted it so that it no longer has meaning.  For example, the number of farms raising hogs in Iowa decreased by 84% from 1980 to 2000, while the average number of hogs per site increased by 572% over the same period.

Why does industrial livestock — with so many peer-reviewed and published studies proving the damage to Iowan's health, communities and environment — deserve special treatment that no other industry in Iowa receives?

Giving one industry that much power is simply wrong and un-democratic.

]]> By: kevin http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series/comment-page-1#comment-259 kevin Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000 http://iowaindependent.com/201/the-promises-of-local-control-part-1-of-a-series#comment-259 <strong>Local control over factory farming</strong> First of all, factory farming is the best answer to share cropping as an alternative to slavery.    We have that with hogs and chickens, next will be cattle.   Corporate ag owns most of the politicians, and is allied with CSIF and Farm Bureau to do as they wish and not have to answer to anyone.   They don't even live near these things (CAFOS) and stay in the city to check progress from their computer.    Of the 16 billion dollars they generate, how much goes to how many farmers?   I mean working farmers, not the city "farmers".   These corporations have unlimited money to match their public relations staff along with advertisements about family farmers that is more myth than fact.   Tell me there is an open market that is fair and not manipulated by the packers and I'll let you hold my pet rattlesnake that is domesticated, and won't bite you?   What we have is a process of production that is out of control, damaging our environment, and trampling on the rights of everyday citizens.   Before local control is given we need a complete MORATORIUM on any new construction and a review of what has been built.    How much more ignorant do we need to be to allow the current process to continue?    Don't listen to CSIF, Farm Bureau, or the commodity groups....take your camper or tent and go out here and live amongst the stench for a year, kill lots of flies, wake up to the "smell of money" and tell me we're doing just great without local control.    MORATORIUM NOW!     Kevin Local control over factory farming First of all, factory farming is the best answer to share cropping as an alternative to slavery.    We have that with hogs and chickens, next will be cattle.   Corporate ag owns most of the politicians, and is allied with CSIF and Farm Bureau to do as they wish and not have to answer to anyone.   They don't even live near these things (CAFOS) and stay in the city to check progress from their computer.    Of the 16 billion dollars they generate, how much goes to how many farmers?   I mean working farmers, not the city "farmers".   These corporations have unlimited money to match their public relations staff along with advertisements about family farmers that is more myth than fact.   Tell me there is an open market that is fair and not manipulated by the packers and I'll let you hold my pet rattlesnake that is domesticated, and won't bite you?   What we have is a process of production that is out of control, damaging our environment, and trampling on the rights of everyday citizens.   Before local control is given we need a complete MORATORIUM on any new construction and a review of what has been built.    How much more ignorant do we need to be to allow the current process to continue?    Don't listen to CSIF, Farm Bureau, or the commodity groups….take your camper or tent and go out here and live amongst the stench for a year, kill lots of flies, wake up to the "smell of money" and tell me we're doing just great without local control.    MORATORIUM NOW!     Kevin

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