Comments on: Rubashkin detention subject of letter to attorney general

By: civlee

civlee — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:01:35 +0000

This is of concern to every American, not just the Jewish community. It looks like this business has been targeted because it is a/the major provider of Kosher meat.

The outcry in this case is that the punishment does not fit the 'crime'... and the 'crimes' are questionable given that their are millions of illegal aliens working here in hotels, restaurants, businesses and homes in large cities all over the US.

To make an example of this particular business, a small player by any measure - except to the Jewish community - cannot be seen as anything but Anti-Semitic.

This is outrageous and hopefully will be soon seen for what it is.

By: civlee

civlee — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:01:35 +0000

By: RegularJoe

RegularJoe — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:06:42 +0000

Again, you missed the points.
That the Constitution is important to me, so much so that I chose to defend it. Period.
That Rubashkin is a flight risk, not because he's Jewish but because his bags were packed, with passports and one hell of a lot of cash. His having a convenient destination as the result of his faith is an exacerbating circumstance, but not the primary reason. Period.
That some Rubashkin supporters are choosing to play the antisemitism card is like some Michael Vick supporters playing the race card. Period.
Mazel Tov.

By: Chief_Sitting_Bull

Chief_Sitting_Bull — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:47:13 +0000

Thanks for your service to the country. I stand by my comments as factual and yours as uninformed; I pointed out exactly where yors are mistaken; you do not take issue with the facts i presented. As far as your new comments about flight risk; I think you are writing till you believe your own BS, instead of thinking for yourself. And I think your mindless is made up and facts do not interest you; and I think you are stating that your having worn a uniform is an argument for unreasonable bail.

By: RegularJoe

RegularJoe — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:05:02 +0000

Bull seems to think Regular Joe knows nothing of the rights our Constitutional guarantees for us and thus Joe should be silent. Aside from the absurdity of such a statement in light of First Amendment rights, Bull missed the point being made. The problem is not that Rubashkin is Jewish, it's that he's a flight risk. Jews are granted bail all the time, for a variety of offenses…just as the majority of accused are granted bail in this country. Rubashkin has shown, at least to the presiding judge (and prosecutors, law enforcement, and people who have done even a modicum or reading on the specifics of this case), that he was apparently planning on leaving the country. Are we rounding up Jews and jailing them indiscriminately? One person does not a pattern make.
Full_Of_Bull also seems to have not noticed the implication that Regular Joe cares about the Constitution to the degree that he was willing to lay down his live in defense of that parchment and all it stands for. How about you, Bull?

Some people's kids…

By: Chief_Sitting_Bull

Chief_Sitting_Bull — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:48:18 +0000

An extradition treaty with Israel has existed for years. Jews under indictment are regularly returned from Israel just like Canada et al. About which one regular joe knows nothing, it is best to keep quiet. We need protection from brainwashed uninformed citizens who know nothing about their own constitutional rights with regards to bail and do not realize that after the Jews are jailed without bail the regular joes are next; and who will be to protest: a regular joe who does not demand Constitutional rights for Jews deserves jail.

By: RegularJoe

RegularJoe — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:48:46 +0000

Simple solution to the issue – negotiate a treaty with Israel that requires them to extradite fugitives back to the US should the situation arise. That way, one can still be Jewish (with right of citizenship in Israel if that's what they want) while also being held responsible for actions taken in the US. This could be viewed as similar in concept to US Forces personnel who are subject to the laws in a given host country under SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreements). For example, if I committed a murder off-base while stationed in Germany, I could be tried in German courts – even if I managed to make it back on-base prior to arrest.
If Israel agrees to immediately return Rubashkin and any of his co-conspirators should they turn up over there, it becomes a non-issue. Unless, of course, Israel refuses to comply after they've agreed to the treaty, in which case all bets are off (and so should be any and all US aid to them until they are in compliance). Perhaps Israel could show good-faith intent by returning the Agriprocessors supervisors who've already fled the country.
Until then, we need to remember this is not about discrimination against those of Jewish faith, it's discrimination against an accused felon who's demonstrated evidence of flight from justice risk…who happens to be Jewish and happens to have a perceived safe-haven based on that faith.

Some people's kids…